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Article #2050Re: CPUs at 30 Ghz in the year 2005
From: Henrik Gram
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:11
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:11
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anw@merlot.uucp (Dr A. N. Walker) wrote: > Summary: if chess is to be solved, then realistically that >will happen if [implausibly] there is a forced mate in 30 or so from >the start that no-one has yet spotted, or [implausibly] there is a >complete theory [compare Nim -- but chess seems "chaotic"] which >no-one has yet spotted, or [only a little less implausibly] there is >some completely unforeseen technology that speeds our computations up >by factors of 10^30 and more. In many positions, we (as in humans) can tell if it's draw, won or lost, and that's not because we see all the moves to the end, but we 'can just see it' - you know the feeling. We've learned some basic rules, seen lots of such positions and have learned to generalize over those to form new knowledge that we apply in positions that are different. We learn what is important to look at, and discard the rest. If you teach a computer so it can do this, it would be a huge step in the direction of 'solving' the game. A 'dumb' brute force approach isn't likely to succeed anytime soon as you and others have pointed out, but why do we need to be dumb about it? Work smarter, not harder (shamelessly stolen from a workout-commercial ;-) -Henrik Gram
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f52e8,8df9b986ca792ae5 X-Google-Attributes: gidf52e8,public X-Google-Thread: 1073e8,8df9b986ca792ae5 X-Google-Attributes: gid1073e8,public X-Google-Thread: 10d71d,8df9b986ca792ae5 X-Google-Attributes: gid10d71d,public X-Google-Thread: 110df2,8df9b986ca792ae5 X-Google-Attributes: gid110df2,public X-Google-Thread: 1035ff,8df9b986ca792ae5 X-Google-Attributes: gid1035ff,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-05-18 08:14:47 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!archiver1.sj.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!npeer.kpnqwest.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!news.funcom.com!not-for-mail From: henrikg@funcom.com (Henrik Gram) Newsgroups: gnu.chess,rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.computer,rec.games.chess.misc,rec.games.chess.politics Subject: Re: CPUs at 30 Ghz in the year 2005 Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:11:56 GMT Organization: Funcom Oslo AS Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3b053901.375889430@news> References: <PnWM6.120400$2_.38189249@news3.rdc1.on.home.com> <9e1g6o$4fs$1@oprah.cc.utexas.edu> <9e39vk$n9n$1@oyez.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: hawk2.funcom.com X-Trace: araga.funcom.com 990198729 23595 193.71.100.110 (18 May 2001 15:12:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: bofh@funcom.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 May 2001 15:12:09 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235