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Article #2056Re: CPUs at 30 Ghz in the year 2005
From: Tom Klem
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 02:44
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 02:44
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Don't forget, Garry Kasparov gave IBM a draw, where he had an actual .... Sometimes, seeing is believing [incorrectly]. Siegfried & Roy proved to me long ago that I could be fooled [and loving it]. You do raise an interesting thought though. Tom Klem "Henrik Gram" <henrikg@funcom.com> wrote in message news:3b053901.375889430@news... > anw@merlot.uucp (Dr A. N. Walker) wrote: > > > Summary: if chess is to be solved, then realistically that > >will happen if [implausibly] there is a forced mate in 30 or so from > >the start that no-one has yet spotted, or [implausibly] there is a > >complete theory [compare Nim -- but chess seems "chaotic"] which > >no-one has yet spotted, or [only a little less implausibly] there is > >some completely unforeseen technology that speeds our computations up > >by factors of 10^30 and more. > > In many positions, we (as in humans) can tell if it's draw, won or > lost, and that's not because we see all the moves to the end, but we > 'can just see it' - you know the feeling. We've learned some basic > rules, seen lots of such positions and have learned to generalize over > those to form new knowledge that we apply in positions that are > different. We learn what is important to look at, and discard the > rest. > > If you teach a computer so it can do this, it would be a huge step in > the direction of 'solving' the game. A 'dumb' brute force approach > isn't likely to succeed anytime soon as you and others have pointed > out, but why do we need to be dumb about it? Work smarter, not harder > (shamelessly stolen from a workout-commercial ;-) > > -Henrik Gram >
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