Re: Internet Chess Cheats Mentality !!

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From: Simon Waters
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:00

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Robert Hyatt wrote: 
> I think that is way over-simplified.  I have watched many games where a
> computer simpl out-played a GM in an endgame.  Years ago, no.  But today?
> Computers don't play a weak endgame at all. They are surely stronger in the
> middlegame, but I don't know of anyone that would say they are weak in the
> endgame.  "weaker"?  Yes.  "weak"?  Not at all...

Backing this up is perhaps the speed with which modern computers can
generate the end game data bases. Okay all five piece endgames take a
while on an ordinary PC, but when playing it doesn't have all these
potential outcomes to worry about.

I was quite stunned at the speed of generating Nalimov tablespaces.

Similarly the classic king opposition endgame is solved
(8/k7/3p4/p2P1p2/P2P1P2/8/8/K7 w - - bm Kb1) in 5 seconds on a fairly
old PC by GNU chess 5, as it gets the requiste 20 ply deep.

That said I've seen computer blunder away won end games many a time.

I think the results are more mixed, than weak, against GM's mixed is
equivalent to weak most of the time but not all.

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From: Simon Waters <Simon.Waters@wretched.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Internet Chess Cheats Mentality !!
Date: 2000/07/15
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