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Re: Internet Chess Cheats Mentality !!

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From: jrmc43
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 00:00
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I guess my number one question is "why cheat"? Maybe you don't have
enough confidence in you own ability to actually face someone on your
own merits. Thats really a pitiful statement on your behalf. Chess is a
great game that both boost an deflates the ego. I might add that it is
the computer that is winning not you. You say its about control. What
kind of control? The only time you, yourself is in control is when you
turn off the computer and start playing the game for yourself.
In article <kCm35.601$Nc.6062@news1.rdc1.on.wave.home.com>,
  "CCCage" <cccage1@anonymous.to> wrote:
> Here is an article from a chess cheat web page, reflecting the
> mentality of the computer chess cheat on the Internet clubs, it
> is a prime example of the way they think !
> ---------
>
> CHEATING on Internet Chess Servers:
> A MATTER YOU SHOULD BE AWARE OF .
> Part 11: Personal testimonies
> First edited in february 2000
> Hi,
>
> I found your web site very entertaining. I often cheat, but I am
> a bit different than what you describe. I don't always set my
> chess program for "maximum kill", there are honest players whom I
> respect out there, and I will often turn my chess computer
> program down to "strong tournament player" or the like to give
> them half a chance. I enter tournaments all the time, and I don't
> want to monopolize them, only win once in awhile. Winning
> everytime would just make me a big target, and ics's would crack
> down on me. For me it is all about control, if I see a player
> whom I respect greatly I will say hey it is his turn to win, I
> won last week and so I will turn my program down to just under
> his level so it looks like I put up a good fight but he will win.
> And then I will kibitz the rest of his games and root for him and
> pump him up and tell him how well he is doing etc. This helps my
> own reputation, as a good sport, so when a week comes around that
> I feel like winning no one will complain when I decide to blow
> them off the board.
>
> When someone accuses me of cheating, when they can tell I am
> using a program, I take it as a personal screw up ( how did I l
> screw up and let them find out? ) and will "turn the other
> cheek", the next time I play them, I will make 1 or 2 moves and
> then resign and then say something like " There. Crybaby. There
> you go. Are you happy now? you won. I hope your happy. Go win the
> tournament."
>
> This will plant doubts in their mind, and think maybe I was a
> legitamate player, and they will feel guilty from then on. If you
> detect that they don't feel guilty, then you should show them no
> mercy and make sure you destroy them by an embarrassing margin
> when you meet them again. My rule of thumb is to let an honest
> strong player beat you twice for every one time you decide to
> beat him.
>
> He should not bitch too strongly if you follow this rule. But
> definately show no mercy to anyone who accuses you of cheating.
> You have spent time and effort building your reputation, a jerk
> like this we cannot tolerate.
>
> My advice to fellow cheaters:
>
> 1) keep quiet for the most part- do not become a chatterbox. Most
> good chess players do not talk much during games and tournaments,
> and you should follow their lead.
>
> 2) Work hard on your reputation- make friends with tournament
> hosts and try to build your reputation as a very strong honest
> good-sport player. This will give you leverage when some jerkoff
> really pisses you off and you need to destroy him and then gloat
> about it.
>
> 3) When you are accused of cheating- Act like nothing is wrong,
> keep your cool. Just go about your business of embarrasing him.
> If he is a real prick, it might help to let him win the first
> week so he will look like a jerk for accusing you. No one will
> believe him that you are cheating if you let him win. You must
> have patience, you will destroy him later. Just keep the game
> close but let him win.
>
> 4) If you run into a fellow cheater- If you have your chess
> computer set for "maximum kill" and someone still beats you, they
> are 99% for sure a fellow cheater. You need to make friends with
> them. Then the next time you run into them in a tournament, you
> need to work out deals so that I win this week, you win the next
> week, etc. Do not get into a war with them. Ex: My chess computer
> can beat your chess computer etc. You may just be surprised,
> there is always someone out there with a faster computer than
> you, with a bigger wallet etc. that can afford stronger, more
> up-to-date software than you can.
>
> 5) Try to minimize accusations- If you have a really bad week,
> when even the host starts to wonder if you are a cheater, you
> need to keep a low profile, and lose to anybody within a few
> hundred ratings points of you. Do not spend much time and effort
> rebutting accusers, a simple joke or brush-off will do. You don't
> want to over-do it, and draw attention to yourself. Use this time
> to build your good reputation, you will need that later.
>
> My favorite line: I guess SO AND SO ( fill in name ) thinks that
> no human can beat him. Or: "Thanks for the compliment, but I
> think a computer could have beaten you much quicker than I did"
>
> 6) A word on one-minute games- Usually this will only happen in a
> tournament you decide to win, someone will accuse you of cheating
> and demand you to play a one-minute game with them, so if you are
> using a chess-program you won't have enough time to enter all the
> moves in. Just say: "Too bad this isn't a one-minute tournament,
> or else we could have had the chance" or "If I didn't have such a
> crappy mouse, I would take you up on your offer" This isn't
> really a great answer, will definately cut some ice...but there
> is no real good way to respond to this particular challenge. You
> will have to bite-the-bullet on this one, or be creative and come
> up with your own good response, a real cheater's nightmare.
>
> 7) What not to say:- You will be found out to be a cheater if you
> slip up and say any of the following ( So don't say any of these
> for sure )
>
> A) My mind thinks like a program
>
> B) "Now you got me pissed, I needed to lose a few games to get
> motivated and kick butt"
>
> C) "I teach chess", or "I am a chess coach" or " I just took a
> job at my local chess club as a chess teacher"
>
> 8) When chess enthusiests ask you for advice:- Tell them
> "books,books, books" "read many chess books" "work first on
> becoming good at end-games".....while they are spending days
> reading chess books like the stupid idiots that they are, we will
> be taking the easy road to glory!
>
> http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Realm/8655/ENGLISH/Part11_ENG.htm
> #Top
>
> Regards,
>
> CCCage
>
>


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