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Article #2399Re: Internet Chess Cheats Mentality !!
From: Jeffrey W. Eggenberger
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 00:00
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 00:00
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I agree, my whole reason for taking up chess on the internet goes against the idea of cheating. Learning for yourself how to make the correct decisions, how to solve "chess problems" has nothing to do with letting a computer solve those questions for you. How you can enjoy chess, and let a mindless automaton make the moves is beyond me. Should you beat me using a computer, so what? What have you truly accomplished? Yes, your computer can beat me. My computer can beat me. What is the point? You are never willing to go over the game with me, because you didn't have a clue as to what was going on! I tried, early in my chess efforts to use my computer(not on the internet) to improve my play. It is just too difficult to interperate what the machine is thinking to know what the move accomplishes. Yes the computers like fritz can analyze the game, but it is dry and not as informative as human analysis, and many times I still didn't know WHY that was a good move or bad except for some long drawn out variation. That is why I came to use internet chess servers, to both play vs. Human opponents, and to learn sound chess ideas by my interaction with them. What these internet chess cheats don't seem to understand, is that they are NOT beating me, their computer is, but they never will! Yes, I can usually tell when a computer is being used. I have played then often enough. Do I really care? Heh, what a loser! is usually my first thought! They will never feel that feeling of finding that great move after a long think! They will never have their heart pound in their chest as the opponent even with best moves fails to fend off your attack! That is the real point of chess, to find the correct idea! not just to win the game. Using the computer to find your moves just proves you have no ideas! Computer cheats are losers who will never ever win! No matter how they justify it, it always comes out the same. LOSER!!!!! Randy <randy@regalrose.com> wrote in message news:TuB35.12548$qS3.32358@tor-nn1.netcom.ca... > Well... It seems that the mentality is complete. The cheater has cheated > him/herself out of ever being able to look at a position, perspiration > rampant on forehead, and say "I did that, as a chess player I have > progressed." If I could never reach beyond my grasp, I don't think I would > lie to myself and say that having used a machine which did, somehow advanced > me. > >
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 1073e8,8e204fe69a231f29 X-Google-Attributes: gid1073e8,public X-Google-Thread: f52e8,8e204fe69a231f29 X-Google-Attributes: gidf52e8,public X-Google-Thread: 110df2,8e204fe69a231f29 X-Google-Attributes: gid110df2,public X-Google-Thread: 10d71d,8e204fe69a231f29 X-Google-Attributes: gid10d71d,public X-Google-Thread: 1035ff,8e204fe69a231f29 X-Google-Attributes: gid1035ff,public From: "Jeffrey W. Eggenberger" <jeffegg2@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Internet Chess Cheats Mentality !! Date: 2000/06/23 Message-ID: <8ivvk4$gin$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> X-Deja-AN: 638087267 References: <kCm35.601$Nc.6062@news1.rdc1.on.wave.home.com> <TuB35.12548$qS3.32358@tor-nn1.netcom.ca> X-Priority: 3 X-Server-Date: 23 Jun 2000 15:27:00 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Newsgroups: gnu.chess,rec.games.chess.analysis,rec.games.chess.computer,rec.games.chess.misc,rec.games.chess.politics