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From: liberte
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 09:48
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 09:48
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I got the following rejected mail. I dont know whether my mail was sent through anyway, so I am mailing to the -request address. dan --- >From MAILER-DAEMON@aeneas.MIT.EDU Thu Sep 3 13:31:09 1992 Received: from a.cs.uiuc.edu by spruce.cs.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29530 (5.64+/IDA-1.3.4 for liberte); Thu, 3 Sep 92 13:31:08 -0500 Received: from AENEAS.MIT.EDU by a.cs.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15389 (5.64+/IDA-1.3.4 for liberte@spruce.cs.uiuc.edu); Thu, 3 Sep 92 13:31:04 -0500 Received: from a.cs.uiuc.edu by aeneas.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA22646; Thu, 3 Sep 92 14:29:29 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 14:29:29 -0400 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON@aeneas.MIT.EDU> Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Message-Id: <9209031829.AA22646@aeneas.MIT.EDU> To: <liberte@cs.uiuc.edu> Status: RO ----- Transcript of session follows ----- >>> RCPT To:<help-gnu-emacs@prep.AI.MIT.EDU> <<< 550 <help-gnu-emacs@prep.AI.MIT.EDU>... User unknown 550 <help-gnu-emacs@prep.ai.mit.edu>... User unknown ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: from a.cs.uiuc.edu by aeneas.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA22644; Thu, 3 Sep 92 14:29:29 -0400 Received: from birch.cs.uiuc.edu by a.cs.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15296 (5.64+/IDA-1.3.4 for help-gnu-emacs@prep.ai.mit.edu); Thu, 3 Sep 92 13:28:04 -0500 Message-Id: <9209031828.AA15296@a.cs.uiuc.edu> Received: by birch.cs.uiuc.edu (5.64+/15.6) id AA03782; Thu, 3 Sep 92 13:28:03 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 13:28:03 -0500 From: liberte@cs.uiuc.edu To: help-gnu-emacs@prep.ai.mit.edu Subject: Emacs bugs Cc: liberte@cs.uiuc.edu From: rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Richard Stallman) Have you sent a bug report with a detailed recipe for reproducing the problem? If not, please do--so we can get it *fixed*. Users often treat bugs as immutable facts of nature; they talk about what bugs exist as if they just had to learn to live with them or avoid them. There are several reasons that bugs don't get reported. I suggest some remedies. 1. It may difficult to tell whether something is a bug or some kind of weird feature. But if emacs crashes or hangs, this is clearly a bug. Weird features can be considered bugs if there is no good reason for them, but that is often difficult to tell without experience. If the printed documentation differs from the on-line documentation, or from Emacs' behavior, there is a bug in one of them. 2. It may be a bug in some non-standard package or modification of Emacs. Non-standard modifications of Emacs should be clearly indicated to users. Go to the author of the modifications first if they are at all suspect. Non-standard packages should be used with some caution, particularly those that modify standard behavior. Package writers should avoid such modifications and generally warn users of potential problems or known bugs. 3. It may be difficult to identify or reproduce a bug. Experience helps alot here. Emacs provides some utilities that help, but there is room for more. 4. It takes time and effort to put together a bug report, even after identifying the bug. If the reason for the bug is not clear, part of the problem is identifying enough of the environment so others can reproduce the problem. Utilities can help here. 5. It may have already been reported, so why should I bother? A known bug list would help. With each distribution, include the list in the etc directory with a reference to the ftpable file for the current list. Emacs maintainers shouldn't object too strongly to getting vague rumors of bugs. That may be the most that some users can offer for various reasons. Discouraging vague reports is just discouraging. Instead, encourage users by making it easier. Dan LaLiberte liberte@cs.uiuc.edu (Join the League for Programming Freedom: league@prep.ai.mit.edu)
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Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.bug Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!cis.ohio-state.edu!cs.uiuc.edu!liberte From: liberte@cs.uiuc.edu Subject: try again Message-ID: <9209040327.AA22626@cookie-crisp> Sender: gnulists@ai.mit.edu Organization: GNUs Not Usenet Distribution: gnu Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:48:51 GMT Approved: bug-gnu-emacs@prep.ai.mit.edu Lines: 87