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Article #99429Re: philosophical bugs in emacs
From: Scott D Kalter
Date: Thu, 06 Sep 1990 17:13
Date: Thu, 06 Sep 1990 17:13
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In article <9009051757.AA20732@life.ai.mit.edu> gildea@ALEXANDER.BBN.COM (Stephen Gildea) writes: Path: twinsun!ucla-cs!usc!wuarchive!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!ALEXANDER.BBN.COM!gildea From: gildea@ALEXANDER.BBN.COM (Stephen Gildea) Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.bug Date: 5 Sep 90 17:57:10 GMT Sender: daemon@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu Distribution: gnu Organization: GNUs Not Usenet Lines: 70 You didn't quite say it, but I gather you don't like the fact that M-b and M-f don't position point the same way. M-b leaves point after the space between the words, and M-f leaves it before. This bugs me, too. ---------------- I think you will find many parts of emacs much more intuitive if you simply read the second paragraph of section 1.1 "Point" of the Emacs manual. I include it here: "While the cursor appears to point *at* a character, point should be thought of as *between* two characters; it points *before* the character that the cursor appears on top of. Sometimes people speak of "the cursor" when they mean "point", or speak of commands that move point as "cursor motion" commands." I find that many people get very confused about the effects of various operations before they realize this. In your case, moving forward and backward a word makes perfect sense when the cursor is viewed as a thin vertical bar on the left side: |word (after backward word) word| (after forward word) Given this model, where else could you possibly think the "cursor" should move to? Think about the function transpose-characters, under normal circumstances (i.e. not at the end of a line) it swaps the characters on either side of the point (vertical bar) like: f|z before swap zf| after swap (it happens that transpose characters is also defined to move the point forward by one) I hope this model helps in clarifying some operations for you that really do make sense in the right context. -Scott D. Kalter <sdk@twinsun.com>
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fb2f1,ad6f12f51d80670c X-Google-Attributes: gidfb2f1,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1990-09-06 22:28:25 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!gmdzi!unido!mcsun!uunet!aplcen!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!orion.oac.uci.edu!ucivax!ucla-cs!twinsun!twinsun!sdk From: sdk@shadow.twinsun.com (Scott D Kalter) Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.bug Subject: Re: philosophical bugs in emacs Message-ID: <SDK.90Sep6101349@shadow.twinsun.com> Date: 6 Sep 90 17:13:48 GMT References: <9009051757.AA20732@life.ai.mit.edu> Sender: news@twinsun.com Distribution: gnu Organization: Twin Sun, Inc. Lines: 48 Posted: Thu Sep 6 18:13:48 1990 In-Reply-To: gildea@ALEXANDER.BBN.COM's message of 5 Sep 90 17:57:10 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: shadow