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Article #189163Re: Please don't recommend proprietary software on this list.
From: Kyle Jones
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1991 20:42
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1991 20:42
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[ Followup-To: gnu.gnusenet.config ] jbw@bigbird.bu.edu (Joe Wells) writes: > Folks, please learn to check the "Newsgroups:" header line when posting! > > This message is crossposted to two newsgroups. The "Newsgroups:" header > contains: > > gnu.emacs.help,comp.emacs > > two newsgroups. The first one is "gnu.emacs.help". Please don't send > messages recommending non-free software to the first. As simple as this sounds, the idea is doomed to failure. The messages from RMS telling people not promote proprietary software on the GNU lists have been appearing for years. But as long as new readers can say `rn' and have the GNU groups appear before them without any warning as to their very unique charter, there will be in inappropriate postings. Nevermind the people who will post whatever they want to the groups anyway, because they believe the spread of information is more important than the FSF's political goals. When someone joins a mailing list, you can send them a charter. There's no such mechanism for USENET groups. There are FAQ posting with long expire times, but new users may not read these because they are confronted with ***** 350 unread articles in gnu.emacs.help--- read now? [ynq] and they just skip the old stuff, and read backwards from the most current postings. I do this myself for some newsgroups that I don't read often. There's nothing in the name gnu.emacs.help that suggests that help shouldn't be given to people if it happens that only a proprietary product will help them... just as there's nothing in the name gnu.emacs.vm.info that suggests this newsgroup isn't about running Emacs under VM/CMS. Assuming the problem really is ignorance of the rules, then one solution is group moderation. another is just to pull the plug on gnUSENET sides of things. Mailing lists with political agendas, membership criteria or other raisons d'etre that would stifle the free exchange of information are bad candidates for newsgroup creation in general. That's why many large mailing lists continue to be mailing lists.
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103b8b,a84a3ccc01a2db6e X-Google-Attributes: gid103b8b,public X-Google-Thread: 106f8c,f0805492fb845ab6,start X-Google-Attributes: gid106f8c,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1991-04-20 13:50:50 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!gmdzi!unido!mcsun!uunet!kyle From: kyle@uunet.UU.NET (Kyle Jones) Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,gnu.gnusenet.config Subject: Re: Please don't recommend proprietary software on this list. Message-ID: <129685@uunet.UU.NET> Date: 20 Apr 91 20:42:05 GMT References: <9104122207.AA14622@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> <1991Apr16.002316.13679@convex.com> <JBW.91Apr16115105@bigbird.bu.edu> Followup-To: gnu.gnusenet.config Organization: UUNET Communications Services, Falls Church, VA Lines: 47