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newsspam5REMOVETHIS@robf.de writes:

> kosowsky@consult.pretender (Jeffrey J. Kosowsky) writes:
> > newsspam5REMOVETHIS@robf.de writes:
> >> kosowsky@consult.pretender (Jeffrey J. Kosowsky) writes:
> >> > Occassionally, I find that messages file in my 'Sent' file via the
> >> > "FCC:" line get stored out of order.
> >> 
> >> Physically they are stored in order of saving, which should be
> >> the correct order when using just FCC.  If you save earlier 
> >> messages later this gets screwed. 
> >
> > Interesting because that is not what I experienced. Later messages
> > were saved before earlier ones as I detailed in my post.
> 
> When you toggle the headers you will see the time when the
> message was written to the folder, at least for folders with
> "From " as delimiter, e.g. 
> 
>       From USER  Fri Jan 30 20:14:10 2004
> 
> Is the order also screwed with respect to this time?

In my original post, I excerpted the "From" and "Date:" lines from the
last 7 messages in my 'Sent' folder (note: I have substituted the
sender 'nobody' to protect the innocent :)

	From nobody Fri Jan 30 02:01:05 -0500 2004
	Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 02:01:05 -0500
	
	From nobody Mon Feb  2 15:53:17 -0500 2004
	Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:53:17 -0500
	
	From nobody Mon Feb  2 17:14:53 -0500 2004
	Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 17:14:53 -0500
	
	From nobody Mon Feb  2 17:24:51 -0500 2004
	Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 17:24:51 -0500
	
	From nobody@nowhere.com  Fri Jan 30 16:38:18 2004
	Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:37:43 -0500
	
	From nobody@nowhere.com  Fri Jan 30 18:01:23 2004
	Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 17:58:33 -0500
	
	From nobody@nowhere.com  Fri Jan 30 18:22:51 2004
	Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:21:58 -0500

> What method of sending are you using?

*Excellent* question. You got me thinking and now I believe I know what
happened. 

The first 3 chronologically ordered emails were routed directly to my 'Sent'
folder via 'FCC' (and hence have the same timestamp on both the
'From' and 'Date' fields).

The last 3 out-of-chronological-order posts from Jan 30th were
actually sent from another computer (I used 'bcc' and procmail to
pass a record of them to my Sent.spool file on this computer).
Note: this is the reason that the time in the 'From' and 'Date'
fields differ by a minute or so in these emails only.

So what happened is that even those these last 3 emails were sent and
arrived in the Sent.spool file on Jan 30, they sat there until some
time after February 2nd when I visited the 'Sent' folder
under 'vm' which then appended the contents of the 'Sent.spool' file
to the existing 'Sent' folder. However, in the meantime, the emails
sent on  February 2nd had already been added to the 'Sent' folder itself
(via FCC) and hence were now out-of-order.

Thanks for the hint.

Now what is the best way to avoid this. Should I have 'FCC' also point
to the 'Sent.spool' file so that sent emails passed via FCC from this
computer and sent emails passed via bcc/procmail from my other
computer stay in order?

Thanks,
Jeff