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SK> == Simon Kaplan <skaplan@imbuya.inria.fr>

 SK> Personally, my feeling on the matter is that epoch was a stopgap out
 SK> of necessity until the real emacs 19 appeared.  In the mean time the
 SK> emacs world has effectively bifurcated

Well, the two separate approaches you listed are very true, but it seems
more fragmented than that to me (at least right now).

At the moment there are emacs-18, epoch-4, lemacs-19 and emacs-19.  (We
only have emacs-18 and epoch-4 installed here.)  All four are incompatible
in at least some areas of elisp, though at least emacs-18 and epoch-4 can
share a hunk of elisp (which saves me a hunk of disk space).

The main problem (IMHO) is going to be having an emacs or set thereof that
can share an "environment" (all of those lovely things we toss in our
.emacs files) while still running on both X and tty interfaces (since I'm
not always at my workstation's console).  Right now, emacs-18 and epoch-4
fill that bill.  Hopefully, the future "lepoch-5" will either include a tty
emacs or be compatible enough with one that I can use it; otherwise, I may
wind up using emacs-19 merely to save myself the trouble of maintaining
(and using) two incompatible emacses.

 SK> So: to all you happy epochers out there: watch out for an epoch
 SK> 5.0/lucid merge some time in late summer or early fall.

I'll be waiting.  Keep the separate minibuffer! :)

 SK> And if you want to return to regular emacs, thank you for your
 SK> support, encouragement and bug fixes, and I hope that over time this
 SK> bifurcation will heal itself.

I hope so as well.  I am actually quite interested in the Lucid Emacs
approach, but simply don't have the disk space to devote to yet another
full-blown emacs installation right now.  As I said earlier, I'd rather not
return to "regular emacs" if I can get better X functionality from
"lepoch", but if I have to give up tty use, I may not be able to avoid it.

(Judging from the References: line, this is the third GNUS posting in a row
for this thread.  I sense a pattern here: "those who live within emacs". :)
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