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Article #1336Re: GNU stuff is a pain to install, and I can't get any help!
From: J.B. Nicholson-Owens
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:00
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:00
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I agree with Edward J. Hartnett in that some of the GNU stuff I've downloaded has been neat to hear about and see other people using, but some of it is uninstallable on my platform (NeXTSTEP 3.0). I had to get a lot of help before I could install the latest emacs 18.59, I believe. I still haven't been able to just compile the latest versions of gcc, gdb and oleo. I too was curious how many other people feel this way, but since the majority of GNU software is installed on UNIX machines and UNIX is mainly the OS for programmers, not users, most of the people on USENET reading this message will probably not identify with Edward J. Hartnett's post. Therefore, when it comes to getting one's hand held for installing 1 or 2 pieces of GNU software, which it sounds like all some people need to get them on their way to being able to install other software, it would help if there were a way to learn to do it without needing to read 10 manuals on every function of C, UNIX and programming hints of one sort or another. When I think about the whole GNU idea, I wonder if it will ever take off in a big way. I fear that it will become just another user-unfriendly, UNIX-lookalike, enormous set of tools where very few actual applications exist, just a *lot* of development tools. I'm grateful for the idea of exchanging software ideas and code freely, but the implementation lacks any advantage for those who use computers for something other than managing other computers. In summary, I feel the following about todays computers (applicable to UNIX machines and GNU software): Computers were made to help people complete work that they would have to do anyways. When you have to hire someone to keep track of things going on with your computer, or if you construct or use an OS that takes years to learn where the knowledge of how to do things rests only with a certain few (aka, UNIX gurus), you have a bad computer. This is in direct violation of the purpose for computers because it makes them harder to understand and operate. -- -- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu) -- NeXTmail welcome
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Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!news.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Subject: Re: GNU stuff is a pain to install, and I can't get any help! References: <EJH.92Nov18111609@khonshu.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <Bxy5x1.GnK@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:00:36 GMT Lines: 34