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On 14 Aug 90 10:12:35 GMT, jim@cs.strath.ac.uk (Jim Reid) said:

jim> In article <PCG.90Aug13144340@athene.cs.aber.ac.uk>
pcg@cs.aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi) writes:

jim> ... A whole lot of rubbish. He has chosen to ignore the
jim> explanations that I and other have given about the way the UKUUG
jim> and UKNET interact.

They are very far from persuasive. I have explained why I think so
(again, jim, why is *institutional* (i.e. expensive) membership of UKUUG
a requisite for UKNET membership?).  I have not called them rubbish,
though, even if they are IMNHO obnoxious, and open to many suspicions.

jim> Fact:
jim> 	The UKUUG does not directly sell or distribute GNU software.
jim> 	How can they restrict something you don't even get from them?

This is really disingenuous. The UKUUG is an affiliate of the EUUG, and
refers you to the EUUG for tape distributions. These are choke full with
GPL protected materials. UKUUG rules apply also to EUUG materials.

So jim, can I just pass around copies of the EUUG tapes, or not? Do they
contain GPL protected software or not?

jim> Fact:

this is not a fact. This is the rationale you offer. I have already
pointed out that your idea that:

jim> 	The "restrictions" clause in the UKUUG membership is to ensure
jim> 	that the benefits of membership - discounts, entrance to
jim> 	conferences and workshops, reciprocal deals with other UNIX
jim> 	groups, etc - are not passed to non members.

has a number of problems as a persuasive rationale. There is another
argument, of course:

How comes the USENIX, ACM, IEEE, UUNET do not need to adopt the same
philosphy, and do not restrict in any way the redistribution of free
software or news articles obtained thru them? They do not even forbid
redistribution of non free materials, as long as you do not violate
copyright. The UKUUG and UKNET forbid passing on originals, except to
institutional members.

Again however, whether the rationale you give is credible or not,
members of the uKUUG and UKNET are not allowed to give away copies of
free software or new articles they receive from ukUUG/EUUG, or from
UKNET.

jim> Only in your fantasy world. Piercarlo.

jim> What on earth do they put into the water in Aberystwyth?

Probably something that makes me believe what i read, that there are no
exceptions to the rule imposed by UKUUG and UKNET that materials
obtained thru them cannot be redistributed to third parties. This is a
pity, because UkUUG/Euug and UKNET make available fine materials, and it
is too bad I take copy conditions literally.
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