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Article #63376Re: The Cygnus hammer strikes!
From: Michael I Bushnell
Date: Wed, 08 Feb 1995 22:29
Date: Wed, 08 Feb 1995 22:29
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(I don't speak for the FSF; I offer here my perceptions as an FSF employee of four and a half years.) The FSF is careful not to give extra credit to Cygnus. We don't, for example, recommend them in any way over other vendors of support. The charge of (metaphorical) nepotism is something we are quite careful to avoid in any competition between Cygnus and one of its competitors, large or small. Happily, there has never been a case in which two potential external maintainers came to blows over which the FSF should recognize. If that happened and Cygnus was one of them, it seems pretty clear to me that any decision made would be on the basis of who did a better job, not who was a closer friend. The FSF has always been grateful for the assistance all its volunteers, including Cygnus, have given in making the GNU project a success. This gratitude is independent of, and implies no approval of, other business activities the volunteer in question might engage in. Sometimes the goals of the FSF differ from those of volunteers that maintain packages. Sometimes this happens with Cygnus. (For example, I and most of the FSF staff are not happy about the non-disclosure agreements that Cygnus signs.) But such a disagreement doesn't prevent us from working together, and the FSF never works with someone in a way that would represent a comprimise of the FSF's principles. (Note well: the FSF's principles are not defined by some vague "freedom of access to information" idea or "don't profit from software". Both are quite false representations of the FSF's principles.) Sometimes the FSF isn't happy with the manner a particular volunteer does releases. Sometimes this happens with Cygnus. Such diversity in methods usually stems from a difference in the objectives between the FSF and the volunteer concerned. This is solved by the obvious step of negotiation with the volunteer concerned, and has never been a very serious problem. The FSF generally would rather third parties didn't distribute GNU software in ways that compete with the FSF's own sales. (Of course, such distribution is not illegal; we'd just rather it didn't happen.) So the FSF is glad that companies like Cygnus don't enter into direct competition to sell tapes and CD-ROMs. (The FSF encourages all of you, when purchasing GNU software from third-parties, to make sure there is a specific guarantee that they will give a certain amount of money to support free software development.) The fact that Cygnus makes some software available to customers, but doesn't make it (immediately) a part of the main FSF distribution, is totally irrelevant. This is no different from any volunteer who happens to give working copies of the software to their friends but only makes releases more occasionally. The fact that Cygnus charges for friendship is not relevant. The FSF does give thanks specifically to Cygnus Support in the GNU's Bulletin. We do not, however, distinguish them from the many other volunteers and organizations that offer help to the GNU Project. We thank quite a few people, including universities and several proprietary software companies--on the basis of their contributions to the Project. -- No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the | continent, a part of the main. Any man's death diminishes me, because -+- I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom | the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. |
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 1025b4,a45412f12d6ff1d3 X-Google-Attributes: gid1025b4,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1995-02-08 14:29:04 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!nntp.gmd.de!newsserver.jvnc.net!nntpserver.pppl.gov!princeton!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!ai-lab!life.ai.mit.edu!mib From: mib@duality.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Michael I Bushnell) Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss Subject: Re: The Cygnus hammer strikes! Date: 08 Feb 1995 22:29:04 GMT Organization: Free Software Foundation, Cambridge, MA Lines: 69 Distribution: world Message-ID: <MIB.95Feb8172904@duality.gnu.ai.mit.edu> References: <3h6fn2$1nm@umd5.umd.edu> <D3MK1s.3vw@kithrup.com> <PREECE.95Feb8143712@predator.urbana.mcd.mot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: duality.ai.mit.edu In-reply-to: preece@urbana.mcd.mot.com's message of 8 Feb 1995 20:37:15 GMT