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In article <hjbD3C8HA.7z6@netcom.com>, Hwa-Jin Bae <hjb@netcom.com> wrote:
>Perhaps Cygnus should then mention that they disagree in public.

Maybe we don't disagree?  Maybe it is just too complex an issue to
comment on?  For example, in the past we have given money to the FSF
and in the future I am sure that we will give money to the FSF,
doesn't this lend credibility to the idea that we agree to some
extent?

Now it is true that we don't expend tons of money to further every
point of their goals, does that mean we disagree?

Should Cygnus spend $1,000 to form an opinion on wether or not it
agrees?  Maybe it hasn't made up its mind.

>>They have no power to intentionally delay delivery: any Cygnus customer
>>can, under the terms of the GPL, immediately send any Cygnus software
>>to anyone and everyone in the world and Cygnus can't (and won't) say
>>anything about it.
>
>True.  but Cygnus won't let this known to their "naive" customers.

Have we ever cancelled a message in this newsgroup that contains the
truth?  Have we ever spent $1 to ensure that customers don't find out?
Please back up your assertion with facts.  Please state the number of
customer you have talked with that have asked us about this that we
failed to give them correct answers.

I think you are just trying to mislead people with disinformation.

>In fact, they seem to be trying to hide this fact, at least in their
>marketing papers.

This is speculation, unless you have talked with the person that wrote
it.

The space in the marketing marterial is extremely limited.  For
example they don't mention the fact that g++ opimizes away the access
to the vtable in certain situations.

Do you fail to understand that the space in marketing material is
extermely limited?  If you understand what, why is the fact that
customers can put up our release for anonymous ftp more important to
our bottom line than the neat whizz bang optimizations that g++ can do
that cfront can't do?

>that's my objection.  a minor nitpick.  but an important one for me,
>because i'm such an anal-retentive purist.  It bugs me.  It bugs me a
>lot that they do that.  because i belive that they DON'T really have
>to.  I would have purchased their products and services several times
>already, if this weren't the case.  but since they are inconsistent
>in many ways, i don't do business with them.  and neither will any of
>my clients who value my opinion.

If we cannot help you solve your problems most efficiently and
effectivly, then you shouldn't buy from us.  If you are botcotting us
for a valid reason, then you shouldn't buy from us.

I don't yet understand your position fully enough to respect it.
Maybe you can comment on it more fully.  Are you boycotting Cygnus
based upon facts, or your opinion of us?  If an opinion, that is ok,
each of us are entitled to our own opinions.

>>Support is *much* more important than getting the latest whizzy
>>enhancement a few weeks early.  The key reason to sign up with Cygnus
>>is that if a bug kills your project dead, they'll get you a fix or
>>workaround usually in less than 24 hours.  That's why their name is
>>"Cygnus Support", not "Cygnus Get New Releases Sooner".
>
>agreed.  But that does NOT mean that their release tactic is immune to
>nitpicking/criticism.  to many, this may be a small, trivial problem.
>to me, it means a lot (not that i care to get their release sooner or at
>all), but because they're not consistent in their love of free software and
>desire to make money.

In my view of the world, what we do _is_ reasonably consistent.  That
is just my opinion.  You don't have to agree with it, and I don't
think you have to share it.  Maybe you can state more fully why you
think it is inconsistent.

>they CAN be, but they choose not to.  and GNU/FSF can be critical of
>them, in this view, but they choose not to.

Right, the FSF can share your views or not.  Maybe they don't share
your views.  You make it sound soo bad that they might not share your
views, personally I won't hold that against them.

Or maybe they do, I don't know?  Do you?