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From: Hwa-Jin Bae
Date: Tue, 07 Feb 1995 05:04
Date: Tue, 07 Feb 1995 05:04
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by now i must be in everyone's kill file. just as well. i have communicated with RMS with the following email. the following is a copy of my email to him, and his response was "I'm going to talk with Cygnus management privately about some of what you've told me." that is good for me for now. i am tired of typing replies to personal attacks. i see no point in continuing this discussion, since it seems clear that cygnus people who post here and i fundamentally disagree on the nature of free software. i realize that i may be wrong. but at this time, i'm also sure that i am right. that is, nobody has convinced me otherwise. we'll see who's right in about ten years from now. here's a copy of my email to RMS. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello. I think that you should take a look at the UUNET-favoritism and Cygnus related thread in gnu.misc.discuss. I'm sure you're busy with work, so here's (hopefully) a brief summary. Quotes are directly from Cygnus' literature. (as in, ftp.cygnus.com:/pub/Cygnus.info/products.services). Cygnus claims that "Cygnus is officially recognized by the Free Software Foundation as the maintainer of gdb, the g++ front end, etc." which I assume to be (and seems to be) true. They also embrace the Free Software (what they call Sourceware) movement. The inconsistency: "GNU tools downloaded from the Internet are available 'as is'. They are not the same as the Cygnus GNU Toolset and have not been through the same rigorous testing process." So what about the software that has been through testing? They should also be available, preferrably at the same time as they're shipped to their customers. However, this doesn't sound too bad. Except also that Cygnus consistenly has been advertising the fact that their customers will get the stable, "engineered" GNU software, before the same software is made available to non-customers. This is against Free Software, and GNU. The fact that this is not enforce-able (all it takes is one of their customers to simply put the release on FTP sites as soon as it is received) is besides the point. The fact that Cygnus claims that they don't sell software, but just sell support seems contradictory in this regard as well -- why then the delayed distribution to favor their own customers? It all seems against the spirit to promote the free flow of information. An organization such as Cygnus should know better. It can do business without having to resort to this type of marketing propaganda. It would better both for Cygnus as well as GNU/FSF community to re-think this inconsistency. I realize that you are not Cygnus. But you are the main GNU/FSF person. Some words about the Cygnus' release policy might be of interest to a lot of GNU users and FSF supporters. As a long time user and supporter of GNU and FSF, I would appreciate your opinion on this matter. Thank you. Hwajin Bae Peaceful Star Consulting Oakland, California --------------------------------------------------------------
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 1025b4,16f9059ee24a2cdc X-Google-Attributes: gid1025b4,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1995-02-06 21:14:46 PST Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!hjb From: hjb@netcom.com (Hwa-Jin Bae) Subject: End of Re: uunet as a contact for the LPF smacks of favoritism. Message-ID: <hjbD3M64C.IqM@netcom.com> Keywords: uunet LPF GNU Organization: Peaceful Star, Oakland, CA References: <3gbuc0$ptd@umd5.umd.edu> <3gogrg$ir6@hermes.synopsys.com> <hjbD3C8HA.7z6@netcom.com> <D3K26D.5G9@kithrup.com> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 05:04:59 GMT Lines: 63