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In article <hjbD3LnwA.KMy@netcom.com>, Hwa-Jin Bae <hjb@netcom.com> wrote:
>i believe that cygnus should make the same software available to people who
>have not purchased the support contract with cygnus.

It is, for a cost.

>i'd prefer that cygnus charge nominal cost for this software,

You might not consider it nominal.

>but the price is up to cygnus.

Ok, we already do this.

>just that the software must be made available at the same time.

It is.

>this will falsify cygnus' marketing claim that says cygnus' customers
>get some special/good software from cygnus before others,

No it won't.

>which in my opinion is against GNU.  and hopefully, cygnus will then
>stop making such marketing claims, which, in my opinion, sets a bad
>precendence w.r.t GNU license misuse.
>
>no, you do not have to buy T1 link for this.  just make it available on
>tape or whatever, i don't care, and charge for it as much as you like.

We already do as you would like us to do.

>but be true to GNU license.   i belive this will resolve all points made by
>me in this thread.

Good, consider then solved then.  Cygnus already does as you would
like.  I am glad this had a happy ending.

>if you think that i make incomplete statements i apologize.  could you
>supply an example?

It doesn't serve any of my points, it seems Cygnus does all that you
want, so we are finished with this thread.

>it is possible that i might have, considering the amount of words i
>have to type to reply to all flames (mostly exclusively from cygnus
>workers, i might add) i've been getting.

I am sorry for any flames contained within my refutation of your
claims.  I tried staying away from flameage.

>>>however, go read your own brochures.  it also says that cygnus'
>>>customers get stable releases faster, before non-customers get it.
>>
>>And?  This is one of our objectives and goals, and we like to think
>>that it is true.  Now, it is pointless to argue whether or not it is
>>true, as this is an opinion, not something that is measurably true or
>>scientifically provable.
>
>some of your co-workers have denied this to be true.

As I said before, many things can account for this.  I has not seen
anybody rip apart my proof that it is true.

>so you're for marketing sleeze

Careful, I didn't say I was for it.  I acknowledge that it is a
necessary part of business in the US.  I respect the need for it.

>i don't draw the line -- it is not up to me.  it is up to you, as GNU
>license says, you can charge for it.  the amount is unspecified.  i'd
>prefer that it be nominal, but it needs not be.  please, you must
>understand this about GNU license already.  why ask a silly question?

I ask because I wanted to understand your position.

>who said you have to support the non-customers?  i only ask that you
>make the software available at the same time.  by any means, at any
>cost.

We do.

>the availability will make the marketing sleeze no longer true,

No it won't.

>therefore no longer possible --- since it would be false advertising,
>if it were to continue.

>you should check out all the ftp sites that have copies of GNU software.
>it is not matter of lack of space or ftp machines.  it is a matter of
>availability.

Not, that cannot be it.  It is available in the manner you would like.

>cygnus is not justified to make decisions like that without adhereing
>to GNU license.

>it specifies that the source be available to all, when it is made
>available to some.

You totally misread it!  Go back and read it again.  This seems to be
a popular way to misread it.

>i'm tired of writing.  i'm sure you'll respond with more fury...

No.  We seem to have reached closure.  Since Cygnus does want you
want, I think you should be satisfied.  I didn't realize before
exactly what you wanted us to do.  In this last message you make it
very clear what you want.  Cygnus does as you want, so the whole
matter is resolved by my pointing this fact out to you.  The only
unresolved issue is the point about the marketing material, but as you
didn't realize it could be true in light of the fact that Cygnus does
makes it's source code available to all, this hopefully doesn't
present a problem.