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Article #72198Patent treaty wording (was Re: USA bombing the world: software patents via GATT?)
From: Aaron Sherman
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1992 21:19
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1992 21:19
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Some thoughts on how to use this new wording to help kill software patents. >>>>> On Sun, 8 Mar 1992, mycroft@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Charles Hannum) said: rms> DRAFT FINAL ACT EMBODYING THE RESULTS OF THE rms> URUGUAY ROUND OF MULTILATERAL TRADE NEGOTIATIONS rms> dated 20 December 1991, Part II of the rms> AGREEMENT ON TRADE-RELATED ASPECTS ON INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY rms> RIGHTS, INCLUDING TRADE IN COUNTERFEIT GOODS (Annex III)] rms> [We have included everything that deals with what kinds of things rms> can be oatented, and what kind of monopoly the patent creates.] rms> SECTION 5: PATENTS rms> Article 34: Process Patents: Burden of Proof rms> 1. For the purposes of civil proceedings in respect of the rms> infringement of the rights of the owner referred to in Article rms> 28.1(b), if the subject matter of a patent is a process for rms> obtaining a product, the judicial authorities shall have the rms> authority to order the defendant to prove that the process to rms> obtain an identical product is different from the patented rms> process. Therefore, PARTIES shall provide, in at least one of rms> the following circumstances, that any identical product when rms> produced without the consent of the patent owner shall, in the rms> absence of proof to the contrary, be deemed to have been obtained rms> by the patented process: rms> (a) if the product obtained by the patented process is new; rms> (b) if there is a substantial likelihood that the identical rms> product was made by the process and the owner of the patent rms> has been unable through reasonable efforts to determine the rms> process actually used. rms> [In other words, the game is stacked against the defendant.] (1/2 serious. Skipping down a para. to the serious bits is allowed ;) Hmmm... Couldn't it be argued that unless the instructions generated by whatever compiler you use, are the same as the patented process, then it's a different process. The idea is that the "product" is whatever the code does, but the "method" is the machine instructions, so for instance, even the same C code could be said to be using two different "methods" when optimizing, or not optimizing. This would render software patents virtually unusable (There could even be a -fanti-patent option to GCC which would throw in random bits of fluf to "change" the "method" while not changing the "product"). This would make copyrights on the original code MUCH more valuable to companies than patents. Now all we need is a precedent ;) Of course the above can be shot down fairly simply, and is half-humor, but the general idea, IMHO, is sound. We need to find a way to narrow the focus of the definition of the word "method". That will make patents much less valuable than copyrights, and put things back on the same uneven playing field that they were on before. Personally, I think that a very simple line should be added to the treaty that would solve evrything: "A patent may not be granted for a copyrighted work, and a copyright may not be placed on an implimentation of a patented process." Would this do it? I think so. And it makes sense. You would never be able to get a patent on a book, or a copyright on an engine. The concepts do not mix. So why should software be able to fence-sit? The designer should chose what s/he wants. Does s/he want to protect the process or the implimentation. I think that in general the answer will be implimentation. Then again there's those damn licences... All in all, I think it's time to start massing LOTS of contributions ($$$) and submitting patents for EVRYTHING UNDER THE SUN. Every company that can afford to will start doing so very soon, so we need to get as many patented processes under the GPL as possible while we still can. I also liked the idea of creating a library of "published" works for purposes of claiming "prior-art". -AJS Disclaimer: I am solely responsible for the content of this message. The views expressed here may not be the views of I-Kinetics, Fidelity or any of the Fidelity-owned corporations. Ob-patentable process: Wake up. Stagger into bathroom. Shower. ($1000, please ;) (WHAT! It's a process! What do you mean "prior-art"?! ;)
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