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Article #72333Re: YAP (yet another patent)
From: David Chase
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1992 23:20
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1992 23:20
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In article <1992Feb22.063011.709@m.cs.uiuc.edu> coolidge@cs.uiuc.edu writes: >From comp.newprod: >>Newsgroups: comp.newprod >>Subject: MOMENTA PENTOP computer volume shipments in the US and Europe >>Message-ID: <92133@mcdchg.chg.mcd.mot.com> >>MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif., February 6, 1992 > [...] >> A key part of the Momenta applications interface is the Command >>Compass. This patented feature allows users to manipulate or modify >>information simply by stroking the pen in specified directions on the >>screen, thereby eliminating the ambiguity of gesture-based systems. >From what I've read about the Command Compass, it's an implementation >of pie menus for pen-based systems. I haven't seen Momenta's system, so I cannot comment for sure. I did spend some time using a pie-menus system that had been implemented in NeWS. I can imagine that that would easily fit into a pen-based system, and I can imagine that they "innovation" of using a pen instead of a mouse might qualify it for a patent. There are specific sequences of clicks and drags that may be used to get different effects in pie menus, and Momenta might have altered those to suit the constraints of pen IO. However, the following ideas are embodied in pie menus, and I am told that they are in the public domain. (1) (in slow mode) action follows clicks -- ease of use by people with poor coordination is built in, because nothing happens unless you click. (2) the entire screen is your menu, sliced like a pie. Again, this is a big assistance to someone with poor coordination. Think about using one of these on a train, for instance. (3) there is a fast mode, the particulars of which I do not remember, but it was amazing to see it in use by an expert. I came close to gaining this level of expertise once, but then I switched back to a more standard window system. I was told by Don Hopkins (formerly of Sun, formerly of U Maryland) that he was one of the developers of pie menus, that they studied their use by "naive" and "skilled" users, and found them to be a good user interface. Furthermore, Don told me that he was offered the opportunity to get them patented or intellectually protected in some way, and he decided not to -- no patents, no copyrights. Papers published by people at the U of Maryland ought to describe the interface in more detail (I don't know the names of the papers, but Don gave me the impression that papers had been published. I'll go flipping through my issues of TOG to see if I can find anything.) If the FSF is serious about building tools for "ordinary" people, and wants to stay well clear of legal hassles, I'd imagine that pie menus would fill the bill. I can also imagine that they would really suit pen-based (and other highly mobile) systems. If I wanted to build a pen-based system, I'd consider slavishly following the interface described in the UMD papers, and see if anyone dared to take me into court. I'll post better references if I can find them. Hopkins, are you out there? David Chase Sun
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 1025b4,3b9f32d9250a1d27 X-Google-Attributes: gid1025b4,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1992-02-22 16:37:54 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!sun-barr!male.EBay.Sun.COM!jethro.Corp.Sun.COM!exodus.Eng.Sun.COM!rbbb.Eng.Sun.COM!chased From: chased@rbbb.Eng.Sun.COM (David Chase) Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss Subject: Re: YAP (yet another patent) Message-ID: <kqdmlnINNl3i@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> Date: 22 Feb 92 23:20:23 GMT References: <1992Feb22.063011.709@m.cs.uiuc.edu> Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca. Lines: 66 NNTP-Posting-Host: rbbb