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Article #72385Re: Too Good to be True?
From: Bill Johnston
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1992 08:37
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1992 08:37
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In article <1992Feb10.214928.17382@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl) writes... >In article <1992Feb10.065321.24815@uunet.uu.net> kyle@uunet.uu.net (Kyle Jones) writes: > >>I'm happy that there are two distinct classes of software. I >>think there's room in the market for both of them. However, I >>think turning free code into proprietary code is needless predation. > >Ditto for me. Is it my imagination, or are the most vocal posters to >this group *still* talking past each other? Ditto for me too. But I don't think that people are talking past one another; the underlying philosophical disputes are real, even if the specific examples we've used have been less than perfect. The problem is that many in FSF _do_ hold a fundamentally anti-intellectual-property-rights position that the anti-copyleft contigent is arguing against. I think that most of us assume that some of the USENET rhetoric of pro- and anti-GPL folks are at least a bit political; we don't necessarily state a full position when we are trying influence those of a sharply different viewpoints. It is also clear that the written terms of the GPL represent compromises between those who are more radical and those who are concerned with not alienating the professional computing community who must get behind FSF (as users at least) in order for it to succeed. The GLPL is a good example of this -- it is clearly labelled as a compromise. What is most bothersome about the GPL as a copyright tactic is that it leaves so little room for other views. My objection is simple. I think that the use of GPL wastes much of the value of code contributed to FSF, and the usual justifications for GPL don't make much sense to me. The FSF-copyrighted programs are in little danger of being taken "proprietary" by a corporate hoarder -- the best version of emacs is GNUemacs; anyone who thinks to make a pile of money from a proprietary version based on GNU source would be crazy! How could a company compete with a free emacs maintained by an army of enthusiastic users with free access to the GNU version of the source code? In fact, one of the smartest things in the gnu-standards is the emphasis on making sure that FSF has clear title to the code they distribute. This further guarantees that the _FSF version_ of the code remains free. The main reason that commercial programmers object to GPL is that they would like to be able to use _bits and pieces_ of FSF source without having to place their entire work under the CopyLeft. This is the kind of decision which very few programmers -- outside academia -- have the power to make. For such programmers, even _reading_ CopyLefted source places them in a moral dilemma: suppose that he/she stumbles onto a really clever search algorithm while I'm browsing through GNU grep? With a public domain or freeware source code, the honorable thing to do would be to cite the author of the routine in one's source code and add an acknowledgement in the documentation. Alternatively, one could talk to the author(s); 9 times out of 10 they'll be flattered and tell you to go ahead and use the routine, happy to be of assistance to a fellow programmer. This kind of courtesy is commonplace for authors, composers, programmers, academic researchers, and creative people in many fields -- and the re-synthesis of bits and pieces of the ideas of others is far more common than outright plagiarism, be it artistic or commercial. This traditional option for sharing the fruits of creative effort is effectively closed when the code is placed under a highly restrictive -- and inflexible -- copyright such as the GPL. It doesn't matter whether I'd like to use the search algorithm in a public domain hack or the next crummy commercial PC database -- the GPL only permits re-distribution of GPL-derived work by those who are willing (and able) to agree to its terms *entirely*. The FSF has undertaken to convince many of our best programmers to contribute their products in the name of preserving the right of hackers to use and share code, but one of the side effects has been to build a fence around some of the best source code ever published. If you find yourself _totally_ in agreement with the terms and implications of the GPL, no problem. Otherwise, there seems to be no middle ground for those who really stand to benefit most from the availability of "free" software and source, ie, programmers. -- Bill Johnston (johnston@me.udel.edu) -- 38 Chambers Street; Newark, DE 19711; (302) 368-1949
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 1025b4,e71af1b1f401c58d X-Google-Attributes: gid1025b4,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1992-02-11 04:24:55 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!wupost!darwin.sura.net!udel!me.udel.edu!johnston From: johnston@me.udel.edu (Bill Johnston) Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss Subject: Re: Too Good to be True? Message-ID: <11FEB199203371748@me.udel.edu> Date: 11 Feb 92 08:37:00 GMT References: <1992Feb4.194002.25273@uunet.uu.net> <1992Feb6.183058.17731@alphalpha.com> <1992Feb10.065321.24815@uunet.uu.net> <1992Feb10.214928.17382@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Sender: usenet@ee.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware/Department of Mechanical Engineering Lines: 84 Nntp-Posting-Host: me.udel.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41