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Article #73070Re: LPF boycott of Apple
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Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1991 06:11
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1991 06:11
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In article <226@news.duke.edu>, magidj@cellbio.duke.edu (Jonathan Magid) writes: |> for example (i may be mistaken on this one), i believe that ibm invented |> the idea of virtual memory (please no flames... just correct me if i'm |> wrong and refer me to alt.folklore.computers... :)) now would |> it be a Good Thing for everybody and their brother to have to invent |> a new way of solving this problem when a good one exists? The idea that IBM invented virtual memory has come up several times in this thread. No one else has jumped on it, so I guess I will. No, IBM did not invent it. Paging was a product of academic research, U of Manchester with the Atlas machine if I remember correctly ( I put most of my undergrad texts in storage a while back, which is why I hoped someone else would answer this). Not only did IBM not invent it, they were about the last computer company to offer it. For quite a while IBM claimed that the technique was un-reliable. Then they released something called "virtual memory", which they claimed to have invented. When pressed, IBM sales people would admit than the only thing IBM invented was the name, but then would go on to claim that their adoption of it established it in the marketplace. Nothing is standard until IBM uses it, as they used to say. I will admit that virtual memory is a neat term. Judging on the behavior of IBM at the time, I am sure if they had invented it, they would have sued anyone else who used it. After all, they claimed to have copy righted the object code format of the 360 mainframes. Amdahl won that battle. IBM also tried to make it ilegal for third party people to make IO devices which plugged into IBM's IO channel. That was also thown out in court. IBM tried to prevent 360 clones (the mainframes, not the Intel CPU) sales by refusing to sell their OS to non-IBM hardware owners. The courts made them stop bundling the software with the hardware. In what the trade journals of the time claimed was the biggest anti-trade lawsuit ever, the feds took IBM to court for obnoxious tactics - including getting MIS staff fired who tried to buy non-IBM hardware ( as they used to say in MIS - "No one ever got fired for recomending IBM"). However the trial dragged on until Ronny was elected president. The new admin disliked anti-trust suits and that was that. During the time that IBM was an even bigger evil than LPF thinks Apple is, the company loved by engineers was DEC. However, they had their quirks. Remember DEC's patents on Dectape and the Q bus? DEC only liscened companies if their products didn't compete with any DEC products. Third party hardware people complained that liscenses were revoked if DEC came out with a new product that competed with something. Both of those patents failed court challenge. By the way, DEC had at least one copy righted language - Focal. It was Basic, more or less. More recently, when the neXt machine first came out, a Mac programmer thought the windows looked really cool so he hacked the Mac's windowing system to look like the neXt's windows. The code was distributed around the usual places freeway places, including the Usenet Mac binary group. However, it quickly followed by a recall. As related on the network, Steve Jobs himself paid a visit to the programmer and said the hack was nice but unless it was recalled, neXt would be forced to sue. I understand LPF makes a huge distinction between this and an actual lawsuit, but that is over-subtle to me. By the way, I complied with this request, as I draw a big distinction between "grey scale can make windows look neat" and "lets exactly match the windows os a specific company". Basically I'm saying, if Apple's lawsuit were as slimy as LPF thinks it is, all it means is that Apple is starting to catch with all the other big computer companies. Bruce Seiler seiler@compass-da.com Note: Compass Design Automation does not pay me to have opinions on things like this.
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 1025b4,64e514debf1e6e73 X-Google-Attributes: gid1025b4,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1991-11-05 10:47:00 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!gmdzi!zeus.ieee.org!europa.asd.contel.com!uunet!cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!pacbell.com!UB.com!daver!mips!rat!vlsisj!seiler From: seiler@vlsisj.uucp (%) Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss Subject: Re: LPF boycott of Apple Message-ID: <1991Nov4.061139.5473@vlsisj.uucp> Date: 4 Nov 91 06:11:39 GMT References: <1991Oct30.122959.7780@donau.et.tudelft.nl> <216@news.duke.edu> <1991Nov1.232902.9471@visix.com> <226@news.duke.edu> Sender: usenet@vlsisj.uucp (Usenet News) Reply-To: seiler@vlsisj.uucp (%) Organization: Compass Design Automation San Jose, California Lines: 63