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Article #73448What is software? (re patents)
From: L. Peter Deutsch
Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1991 15:12
Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1991 15:12
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I've been forcing myself to "sit on my hands" while reading the software patent debate between Terry Ritter and most of the other posters on this newsgroup, simply because I don't have enough hours in the day. For the record, I think Ritter's reasoning is mostly sound, and his facts are mostly right as far as they go, but his postings are based on a set of beliefs about law, society, and invention that I (and many of the other counter-posters) don't agree with and that are not very susceptible to rational influence (on either side). Finally, however, he made some statements about hardware vs. software vs. algorithms that I can't restrain myself from wanting to correct. The issue is whether these things can be distinguished. I believe they can, and I believe the distinguishing basis is whether what is being patented is the transformation of *information* or not. In article <9302@cactus.org>, Ritter says. > In fact, the closer one looks, the harder it is to define a difference > even between hardware and software. [ Personally, I believe the reason > for this is that, when "software" is executing, software *is* hardware. > Thus, there *is* no difference. ] But take a look: > Does "software" function only on a IC "chip," or would a > random-logic computer run software? Naturally we take the second > case, but then how can we tell the difference between a computer > running software and any other logic machine? If we can't, would > all hardware digital logic devices lose patent protection? Software can run on any kind of hardware, and is defined independent of hardware. What I do not think you should be able to patent is the algorithm or process for carrying out a function defined in terms of information. The Wegman-Miller patent (the "other LZW patent"), for example, does just that, independent of physical realization. And yes, I have read this patent in its entirety. Hardware digital logic devices should remain patentable because they are defined as transforming particular electrical signals in a particular way, not information regardless of its physical representation. You should be able to patent the specific Motorola 68000 nanocode design that interprets an instruction set presented as a set of electrical signals in a certain way, but not the general technique of using nanocode to interpret an instruction set. Consider the "xor cursor" patent. I admit to not having read it, even the claims. However, I would take the following approach to evaluating it. If it claims to patent the use of the "xor" function to make a cursor appear and disappear on any bitmapped display device, I do not think it should be allowed, because it is stated in terms of a function of information -- bits -- independent of the electrical or physical representation. If it claims to patent a particular hardware circuit that "xors" two signals together for the purpose of making a cursor appear, it's a perfectly good patent, but no software can violate it; nor can a substantially different circuit for accomplishing the same purpose. > Is machine code in ROM "software"? If so, then are all digital > hardware devices which use ROM using "software" (and would they > thus lose patent protection)? Of course machine code in ROM is software. The algorithms or functions it implements, considered as such, should not be patentable, regardless of whether they are implemented in ROM. The machine including the ROM could be patentable if its function is defined in terms of physical inputs and outputs. > Is machine code in RAM "software"? If so, then <as above>. In > addition, it would be possible to get around a <ROM = hardware> > philosophy, simply by copying ROM to RAM. What is being patented is the machine, consisting of hardware including the parts of the hardware that physically encode software (if any), as an entity that takes physical inputs and produces physical outputs. ROM vs. RAM is irrelevant to this. You cannot patent the machine independent of the contents of the RAM, unless of course what you are patenting is the instruction set interpretation mechanism (see the discussion of the MC68000 above). > (This is actually done now in most 386 machines.) Not for any reason having to do with patenting, however. > Is machine code in random logic "software"? If so, then, assuming > an infinity of possible software instruction sets, how could any > digital logic hardware device retain patent protection? I don't think "machine code in random logic" is a meaningful concept. "Machine code" intrinsically involves a fixed instruction set (even if it's a microcoded instruction set underlying a changeable macroinstruction set, and even if it's the set of possible wirings defined by a plugboard). Besides, as I've been trying to make clear, it's not the *code* that is being patented. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Ritter has claimed that Diamond vs. Diehr and subsequent decisions are consistent with the historical interpretation of patent law, and not in conflict with the "no algorithms" provision. I obviously feel differently, and the above discussion is meant to substantiate that view. More generally, I believe Ritter claims software cannot be distinguished from hardware, whereas I claim software cannot be distinguished from algorithms or information-manipulating processes. I enter this discussion with great reluctance, because as I remarked at the beginning, it is based on premises with which I disagree profoundly, and I don't want to spend a lot of time debating points of detail while the underlying major issues are not being discussed. Drawing the boundary between hardware and software is of secondary importance, because I think "hardware vs. software" is not the issue. Since I've gone this far, I will say what I think the real issues are. Please read them carefully, because they will be very easy to distort or over-simplify in the heat of discussion. - Whether one believes that the *only* possible and desirable process for bringing the fruits of invention to society is a profit-based one, and whether therefore this process should be given legal advantages over others. - Whether it is possible to "own" an idea or concept, and whether it is appropriate to deprive originators of an idea (other than those who have gone through a particular legally mandated ritual) of the right to use it in practice. - Whether there are intrinsic qualitative differences between the historical, actual, and desirable social processes surrounding software invention and those surrounding other kinds of invention. (Again, by "software invention", I mean the invention of algorithms or processes for manipulating information.) - Whether the present U.S. patent system in general serves society well. - Whether, assuming one believes that there *are* certain qualitative differences between software and other kinds of invention, the patent system in its present form can be expected to serve society well when applied to software. - In particular, who can be expected to actually profit from applying the present patent system to software. For an argument to be rational, it must be based on evidence. Unfortunately, many of the foregoing issues are of a nature such that evidence is intrinsically difficult or impossible to present, or are matters of faith or philosophy. For that reason, I suspect the heat-to-light ratio in the discussion is destined to continue high. L. Peter Deutsch :: Aladdin Enterprises :: P.O. box 60264, Palo Alto, CA 94306 ghost@aladdin.com ; ...decwrl!aladdin!ghost ; 415-322-0103 8:30-11 AM M-F "Implementation is the sincerest form of flattery."
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 1025b4,cdb3af00096db891,start X-Google-Attributes: gid1025b4,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1991-09-08 13:46:52 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!gmdzi!unido!mcsun!uunet!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!aladdin!ghost From: ghost@aladdin.com (L. Peter Deutsch) Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss Subject: What is software? (re patents) Message-ID: <107.UUL1.3#5127@aladdin.com> Date: 8 Sep 91 15:12:24 GMT Organization: Aladdin Enterprises, Menlo Park, CA Lines: 150