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Article #73546Re: Ben Franklin on patents
From: Piercarlo Grandi
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1991 21:02
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1991 21:02
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On 14 Aug 91 15:32:29 GMT, nazgul@alphalpha.com (Kee Hinckley) said: nazgul> In article <48185@netnews.upenn.edu> yee@mipgsun.mipg.upenn.edu nazgul> (Conway Yee) writes: yee> In article <1991Aug13.183216.19588@agate.berkeley.edu> yee> jbuck@forney.berkeley.edu (Joe Buck) writes: jbuck> I think that inventors should be rewarded, but granting them a jbuck> state-enforced monopoly for a couple of decades is a bit much. yee> Doing away with patents is next to impossible. One of the provisions yee> of the Constitution is a requirement that Congress set up a patent yee> and a copyright system. While the duration of the patent/copyright yee> is not constitutionally determined, its existance certainly is. nazgul> I'm a little suprised that I've seen noone suggest the obvious nazgul> compromise of shortening the length of the monopoly. Thus the nazgul> person with the idea gets a headstart, but not a lockout of nazgul> everyone else. My favourite solution would be, instead of granting the inventor esclusive *manufacturing* rights, granting him exclusive *royalty* rights for say 10-20 years on the actual selling price of products incorporating that invention, i.e. a kind of sales "tax", going to the inventor. Everybody would be able to manufacture products incorporating any invention, as long as they paid the royalty to the inventor. The royalty would be by default something like 3-5% (which is little for a new product, where profit margins can be supposed to be something like 30-50%, and a lot for mature products, where they can be supposed to be around 5-10%), and the inventor could reduce (but not increase) it at will. The advantages would be manyfold: 1) Encourage multiple manufacterers to use the same invention. This is bound to drive manufacturing cost down and drive up sales. 2) Reduce to a miminum legal conflict and administrative costs. Anybody can license an invention if he pays the inventor. A simple Patent Fee Center could be setup. 3) Encourage inventors to devise useful inventions, i.e. those that many manufacturers would want to adopt and for which they would still profit from paying a royalty of 3-5% of selling price, unless the inventor wanted to make adoption more profitable by reducing the royalty. 4) Encourage patenting as soon as possible, with as wide a disclosure as possible, in order to enojoy as long and wide a royalty stream as possible. 5) Encourage specialization of business into intellectual property businesses and manufacturing businesses, and lowering barriers to entry in both branches of activity. 6) Allow for substantial simplification of the patenting process, along the lines of the copyright process; if a royalty rather than monopoly is at stake, things are relaxed enoguh that just possibly just a 'Patented 1991' mark like for copyrights could be enough. 7) Correctly modeling the fact that "intellectual property" rights are not really property rights, because there is no need to exclude others from enjoying it to enjoy it yourself, but it has an economic value that may deserve economic incentives. I would be very happy about copyright law being revised in the same way; separating the right to reproduce (unrestricted, at a price) from the right to derive a royalty seems to me a good idea, that probably the FSF could live with, as they are about free dissemination, not gratis dissemination, mostly. -- Piercarlo Grandi | ARPA: pcg%uk.ac.aber@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk Dept of CS, UCW Aberystwyth | UUCP: ...!mcsun!ukc!aber-cs!pcg Penglais, Aberystwyth SY23 3BZ, UK | INET: pcg@aber.ac.uk
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 1025b4,9434f7b17f215464 X-Google-Attributes: gid1025b4,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1991-08-18 14:33:28 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!gmdzi!unido!mcsun!ukc!dcl-cs!gdt!aber!aberda!pcg From: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi) Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss Subject: Re: Ben Franklin on patents Message-ID: <PCG.91Aug18210217@aberda.aber.ac.uk> Date: 18 Aug 91 21:02:17 GMT References: <562@ubbpc.Unisys.com> <65707@bbn.BBN.COM> <1991Aug13.183216.19588@agate.berkeley.edu> <48185@netnews.upenn.edu> <1991Aug14.153229.18561@alphalpha.com> Sender: news@aber.ac.uk (USENET news service) Reply-To: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi) Organization: Coleg Prifysgol Cymru Lines: 78 In-Reply-To: nazgul@alphalpha.com's message of 14 Aug 91 15: 32:29 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: aberda