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Article #73569Re: Ben Franklin on patents
From: Piercarlo Grandi
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1991 18:47
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1991 18:47
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On 19 Aug 91 02:40:43 GMT, kap1@icarus.spc.uchicago.edu (Dietrich Kappe) said: kap1> In article <PCG.91Aug18210217@aberda.aber.ac.uk> pcg@aber.ac.uk kap1> (Piercarlo Grandi) writes: pcg> The royalty would be by default something like 3-5% (which is pcg> little for a new product, where profit margins can be supposed to pcg> be something like 30-50%, and a lot for mature products, where they pcg> can be supposed to be around 5-10%), and the inventor could reduce pcg> (but not increase) it at will. kap1> One problem I see with it, though, is the cummulative effect of kap1> multiple royalties. Suppose a programmer incorporates 10 patented kap1> methods in his/her program. The royalties would amount to 30-50%. Precisely. That's not a problem, at least not a legal problem; legall;y the US Constitution only requires that inventions be rewarded by granting exclusive economic rights to the invention. The problem is *economic*: note that I wrote that the 3-5% would be the default *and* the maximum, but there would be no minimum. The idea is that paying 3-5% of your sales gives you the right to use the patented invention without any further ado; if you think that 3-5% is too much, you can always negotiate with the inventor for a reduction. The idea is that 3-5% is both a reasonable default and a reasonable maximum for a single invention, as it is a sizable but not preponderant portion of historical profit margins. Indeed it is easy to anticipate that inventors will realize that their inventions would not be worth 3-5% of the sales income, and would therefore issue the patent with a lower default royalty to encourage adoption. So *by default* if you use 10 inventions you end up paying royalties amounting to 30-50% of sales income; but you can always write to the 10 patent holders saying "I want to license your and 9 other patents for my new product, and I want a lower royalty from you and the other patent holders otherwise the product will not be economically viable. You, and the other 9 inventors, have a choice of either granting me a lower fee or not collecting anything from me. Let's negotiate". I surmise that under my proposed system not only a separation between inventors and manufacturers would be encouraged (as inventors would have every incentive to line up as many manufacturers as possible, instead of setting up their own monopolistic one), but specialized patent wholesalers/brokers would emerge (one of them could be the FSF for example), each of them with a portfolio of patents and offering patent packages with reduced royalty fees. -- Piercarlo Grandi | ARPA: pcg%uk.ac.aber@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk Dept of CS, UCW Aberystwyth | UUCP: ...!mcsun!ukc!aber-cs!pcg Penglais, Aberystwyth SY23 3BZ, UK | INET: pcg@aber.ac.uk
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 1025b4,9434f7b17f215464 X-Google-Attributes: gid1025b4,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1991-08-22 12:55:41 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!gmdzi!unido!mcsun!ukc!dcl-cs!gdt!aber!aberda!pcg From: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi) Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss Subject: Re: Ben Franklin on patents Message-ID: <PCG.91Aug22184726@aberdb.aber.ac.uk> Date: 22 Aug 91 18:47:26 GMT References: <562@ubbpc.Unisys.com> <65707@bbn.BBN.COM> <1991Aug13.183216.19588@agate.berkeley.edu> <48185@netnews.upenn.edu> <1991Aug14.153229.18561@alphalpha.com> <PCG.91Aug18210217@aberda.aber.ac.uk> <KAP1.91Aug18204043@icarus.spc.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@aber.ac.uk (USENET news service) Reply-To: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi) Organization: Coleg Prifysgol Cymru Lines: 53 In-Reply-To: kap1@icarus.spc.uchicago.edu's message of 19 Aug 91 02: 40:43 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: aberdb