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Re: Richard Stallman's Most Obnoxious

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From: Joseph Francis
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1991 09:46
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In article <1991Jul30.161612.10581@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu> shore@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Melinda Shore) writes:
>In article <9107300638.AA11696@wubios> david@wubios.wustl.edu (David J. Camp) writes:
>>Do you know of any women that are offended with a comment like
>>"bright-eyed and pretty?"  Is it an attempt to dominate the recipient?
>
>Yes, yes.  A comment like "bright-eyed and pretty" in a professional
>context (are you an undergraduate, or what?) is wildly inappropriate
...
>BTW, your definition of feminism is not widely accepted.
>
>>I find women very attractive.  That I express it gives me no shame.
>
>At the extreme, this leads to sexual harrassment.  Women are *not* in
...

What should be understood here is that the comment had total relevance
to the original intent of smug 'put-down' of the commentators. The
rather ineffective justifications posed by David merely invalidate the
original intent of the posting, so what are we left with? A bad taste
in the mouth, and a dull brown contempt for Mr. Camp.

If I were to shift the domain of discourse in a discussion of an
article on, say, Djikstra, "And in the third picture we see a rather
alarmingly hung and potbellied professor", the intent, though
'cutified' by the alliteration, is to shift context, and to cast
aspersions on his professional qualities by commenting implicitly on
his sexuality.
...

"I find women very attractive. That I express it gives me no shame."
( 'Very attractive', which implies that you therefore find the
alternative, men, merely attractive?) I would suggest that you try to
avoid putting into articles therefore 'hot bitch' for extra-extra
attractive women, and 'something I wouldn't throw out of bed for
eating crackers' for the dream of a lifetime. 

In fact, I would suggest you not post articles at all until you really
understand why what you do makes you appear cretinous, and offensive
to an enormous number of people, many of whom, like me, are not
'politically correct'.


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Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Most Obnoxious
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