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Article #73800Re: free software creates a new kind of [free] monopoly?
From: David Chase
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1991 21:22
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1991 21:22
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edguer@charlie.CES.CWRU.Edu (Aydin Edguer) writes: >I am troubled by peoples' perceptions of "FSF's inabilit[ies]". The >FSF has the _ability_ to do almost anything _they_ want. They do not >always have the _desire_ to do anything _you_ want. Don't confuse theory and practice, and don't confuse criticism and desire. I believe that claims about the ultimate wonderfulness of a system of Free software are poorly justified, and thus I criticise them. I also realize that *in theory* the FSF can write whatever they want to, but in practice their desires are not at all the same as the desires of people who purchase (for instance) PCs, Macintoshes, and Nintendos (actually, I'd expect the greatest overlap for the Nintendo case). Thus, no "Free specialized mass market" software. >These people refuse to acknowledge (or just don't know about) things like: > > sc (a PD UNIX spreadsheet) > oleo (the FSF spreadsheet - X11 interface planned) > xfig (an X11 drawing program) > andrew (an X11 multimedia kit - includes WYSIWYG editing) > RHETORICAL (planning ai software) > PROTOS (knowledge acquisition ai software) > DANCAD3D (a PC CAD system - no source) > pcb (a printed circuit board router) > magic (a VLSI design tool) > JACAL (a symbolic math program) > Solve (a PD Mac Mathematical analysis program - no source) I've used xfig. Vomit. I've used Andrew. Too big and slow, though pretty nifty in design. (Though to be fair, I haven't seen a non-Free *Unix* system resembling Andrew in any way that I liked very much, either.) I'm not too keen on anything based on X11. Too big, too slow, the design decision to be window-manager-neutral doesn't do anything good for the user interface. My general feeling is that this software is prototype quality, but lacking polish in the details. In my experience, the details are the hard part, partly because they aren't fun, partly because there are always more of them, and partly because sometimes there isn't a clear right answer. Also, the details (in good GUI software) are incredibly important. Also, good mass market user interfaces run on tiny underpowered machines and make X11R4 look like a slug on a much bigger machine. That tuning is typically not fun work, so there is a good chance that it won't get done. >>Who pays for efficient word processors with well-designed GUIs and >>tastefully presented bells and whistles? >The people who want them. THAT is the central problem. In the mass market case, no small number of people can afford what they want if they're the only ones paying for the development. Read what you quoted: >>Forming a large enough consortium to distribute the price/programming >>effort is also not a practical proposition, since I'd expect at least >>5000 people would be needed to get the price sufficiently low. >I could find a number of programmers who could produce an X11 based >WYSIWYG word processor in under a year for that sort of pay ($50,000). >I could find a number of graduate students who could produce the same >thing for about $10,000. I might even be able to find a few undergrad >students who could produce the same thing for about $2,000. Don't count on it. "How hard could it be to write a word processor? I'll bet they could do it as a [team programming class] project!" The friend who said that (a very intelligent and creative person) spent something like 9 man-years failing to finish his word processor. You might get a minimal version built, this is true. For-profit market pressures force you to do something that is better than what is already out there. Start free and small, then spread and grow, may be a worthwhile strategy. >Once the FSF has a complete operating system to do development on >(rather than trying to help support many different flavors) we may >start to see all the nice "mass market specialized software" but until >that time, FSF is doing what they set out to do and trying to say that >this is an "inability" to produce packages is completely misleading. Note the implicit assumption that the FSF's operating system will be appropriate for running "mass market specialized software" applications. It will probably be very interesting to hackers and programmers, because they'll build want they want. Will it run on a 4 megabyte home computer with a '386 or 68020 in it? Will it efficiently implement a graphical user interface? (hint: if it is running X11R4, the answer is "no".) In theory, yes, the FSF can do whatever they want; in practice, they are unable, because hackers will write what hackers want to use and play with, and their personal desires (because of their experience and their prejudices, e.g., "there's nothing special about a Mac's user interface") are not the same as those of the mass market. And (once again) I don't "want" this software, so there is no reason for me to work on it. My time is much better spent earning money and buying the software. In the time it takes me to write/improve a piece of Free software, I could earn enough money to buy the non-Free version several times over. Other people think like I do (especially those who don't know how to program at all), and that's why I think there won't be much Free mass market specialized software. David Chase Sun
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 1025b4,566ddbfb9b33042 X-Google-Attributes: gid1025b4,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1991-07-25 01:18:04 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!gmdzi!unido!mcsun!uunet!lll-winken!sun-barr!cronkite.Central.Sun.COM!exodus!rbbb.Eng.Sun.COM!chased From: chased@rbbb.Eng.Sun.COM (David Chase) Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss Subject: Re: free software creates a new kind of [free] monopoly? Message-ID: <17391@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> Date: 24 Jul 91 21:22:48 GMT References: <1991Jul21.220203.597@visix.com> <84445@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> <17302@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> <1991Jul24.004158.10952@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> Sender: news@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca. Lines: 106