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Article #73937Re: NJ wants to license programmers...
From: Joseph Beckenbach {Adapter Softw...
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1991 21:08
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1991 21:08
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(Apologies, I lost the attributions to previous authors....) If New Jersey legislators want to license programmers and thus lose the bulk of their software people, I'd say they weren't thinking straight. This seems to be a common reaction about legislators in general. 1/2 :-) If they want to license *computer software professionals* to practice their trade as lead engineers, then it's about flipping time!! From what I understand of the professional licensing in other industries, licensing comes into play when public safety comes into play -- this means that everyone can be assured that it's a technically competent person saying, "Yes this will fly, and I'm staking my reputation and a chunk of my career on it by being *responsible* for it". Needless to say, I want licensing of computer professionals; I will license under the ICCP program set up by the IEEE and ACM and other computer societies created for this purpose. If this field is going to be an ENGINEERING discipline, it's got to be treated as such. The licensing must denote responsibility, so that we DON'T have some non-technically-trained non-responsible bureaucrat making technical decisions and overruling us technical experts in our fields. >> And what about companies in >> financial trouble trying to get a product out the door as cheaply as >> possible? Depends. Are they in the wrong market? Are they on the leading edge while learning sound engineering techniques, both software and managerial? Are they dependent on one product, and happen to be gearing up for the next product line? Or are they out for the fast buck, like quack doctors and bogus contractors? >> There are no minimal standards that these companies nor >> individuals have to follow Which is why the production of software is still being treated as a CRAFT, not a PROFESSION -- there's no P.E.-equivalent in the industry. Some reasonable standard engineering practices, like having overall design documents approved by a responsible individual, are necessary at a certain level of effort. This is the point in the "established" professions that the P.E. comes in, or the equivalent title in other fields. My father studied, did industry work for a few years, took an MS, and licensed as an architect. He has been recognized by three state and his profession that he is competent to design and oversee design of buildings which affect the public safety. I am planning parallel steps myself -- to be professional is to be responsible. >Test programs, not programmers. AMEN. And license those who are willing to put their money where their mouths are. Treat software professionals as PROFESSIONALS, and hold them to professional standards. Joseph Beckenbach -- ---- Joseph Beckenbach jerbil@ultra.com 408-922-0100 x246
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From: jerbil@ultra.com (Joseph Beckenbach {Adapter Software Release Engr})
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Subject: Re: NJ wants to license programmers...
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