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Article #74441Re: Illogic and Apple
From: Richard Caley
Date: Sun, 05 May 1991 08:29
Date: Sun, 05 May 1991 08:29
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In article <1991May4.052108.695@visix.com>, Amanda Walker (aw) writes: aw> After all, there are things besides software that don't fit too well, such aw> as: aw> - Musical recordings (especially on digital media) aw> - Printed materials (thanks to photocopy technology) aw> - Audiovisual works (movies, broadcasts, etc.) I think there is a difference of levels here. Copyright on musical recordings stops people from literally copying the recording. So transfering that to software would mean stopping people literally copying a program. Copyright on music does not stop one writing a similar piece of music and recording and selling that. Similarly copyright on books does not stop one writing a book with a similar plot. I can't speak for anyone else, but I have no problem with copyright which stops me sticking disks in a Mac and making copies of some program and selling them to anyone daft enough to want them. I _do_ objewct to copyright which stops me writing a totally new and independent program which happens to look like something on a Mac. aw> On the other hand, what's the use of going through the effort and aw> expense of putting together a really good piece of software, if anyone aw> else can come by and take your design, lock, stock, and barrel, aw> without even giving you the time of day? If all that is unique about a product is the trivial bits of the user interface covered by the phrase `look and feel' (what the buttons look like, which function key gives help, whatever) then I find it hard to weep for its developers if that trivia is copied. The hard bits of the user interface, such as the way different user actions interact and how the system copes with user errors and gives help, are very difficult to reverse engineer without access to the source. Anyone who manages to completely copy a good user interface has put about as much effort into it as the original developer did. It would almost always be better to come up with an improved UI based on the existing one but correcting some of its misfeatures. aw> It's like writing a novel aw> and having anyone be able to publish it. No, its more like writing a spy thriller and finding out that anyone else can also write a spy thriller. aw> Why should Apple, which has aw> invested millions of dollars and thousands of hours into user interface aw> research, foot the design bill for the rest of the industry? For the same reason that Apple was allowed to `steal' the results of Xerox's UI research. BEcause looking at a product and producing something which performs a similar job is not usually considered theft. aw> Only if their goal is to produce the same thing as everyone else. aw> If GNU is going to be just another UNIX, why bother? It might work... well, ok, so that would be so novel it couldn't possibly be seen as a copy of Unix. -- rjc@cstr.ed.ac.uk _O_ |<
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 1025b4,15ed716c9ecc1ded X-Google-Attributes: gid1025b4,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1991-05-05 10:19:51 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!gmdzi!unido!mcsun!ukc!edcastle!aiai!aipna!cstr!rjc From: rjc@cstr.ed.ac.uk (Richard Caley) Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss Subject: Re: Illogic and Apple Message-ID: <RJC.91May5082928@brodie.cstr.ed.ac.uk> Date: 5 May 91 08:29:28 GMT References: <1991May3.224342.9567@sugar.hackercorp.com> <1991May4.052108.695@visix.com> Sender: news@aipna.ed.ac.uk Organization: Centre for Speech Technology Research Lines: 66 In-reply-to: amanda@visix.com's message of 4 May 91 05:21:08 GMT