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Article #74714Re: False assumptions re: patents
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Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1991 22:35
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1991 22:35
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Here are more false assumptions by Waters: I have a file of about a hundred software patents, every one of which was quite innovative AT THE TIME FILED! What's innovative to you may not be innovative to others. This is important because patents are not granted by a vote, they are granted by a patent examiner who has a certain point of view. THat would seem to me to make patents much MORE useful since you can experiment and find truly original ways to do things without spending huge amounts of money in prototypes. The amount of money being spent on prototypes has nothing to do with the usefulness of patents. Patents are only useful if they fulfill the purpose set forth by the constitution (in the U.S.). When I look at the progress made in hardware from the 1960's to the present, then compare the progress in software I really have to wonder at statements like this. Here you imply that the computer hardware industry was driven by patents. That is most assuredly not the case. The microprocessor was fundamental in the explosion of computing in the 70's, 80' and beyond. The microprocessor patent was just granted in 1990. There must have been something other than patents which drove manufacturers to develop better and faster microprocessors. I guess they found that there were rewards to be had despite the lack of a patent. We're now finding that the patent on the microprocessor may be more of a hindrance than an economic incentive. [comments about software being less inovative than hardware] I refer you to the etc directory of the emacs distribution which contains a file named MOTIVATION for an interesting article about the relationship between rewards and creativity. The gist of it is that rewards don't encourage innovation. In fact, it may be true that rewards discourage innovation. Certainly rewards have not incouraged Lotus to innovate. They have there look-and-feel protection on 1-2-3 and they have done nothing to further the state-of-the-art in spreadsheet technology. They are sitting fat and happy. If I add to "the store of human knowledge" then I deserve some reward for it. If the "invention" is something "useful" and you want to use it then you should expect to pay me to teach you. You say this as if it is a law of nature that you deserve a reward. That is totally false. You don't *deserve* anything. You only get what the law gives you and that doesn't always correlate with our sense of justice. You should remember that the law was written by humans and is therefor imperfect. Also if the invention is truly owned by the patent holder, why do we stop paying royalties after 17 years? If the inventor truly deserves to be paid why don't we keep paying her forever? I hold that the inventor does *not* truly own the invention and that patent protection was designed only to induce inventors to reveal their secrets. Patents might have been needed way back when inventors didn't always bring there inventions to market but now there is no point to it. We can easily reverse engineer just about anything that is worthwhile. And anything that is worthwhile is almost assured of making it to market in this day and age. Often it is the patent system itself which discourages inventors from bringing inventions to market. Don Lancaster of Radio Electronics Magazine is famous for railing against the patent system. He has hundreds of stories of inventors wasting huge sums of money on patents and never getting a dime in return because they spent all their effort on getting the patent instead of bringing the invention to market. It shows that the patents took a long time to issue and the ideas became widespread during that time. You should ask yourself why did the ideas become widespread between the time of filing and the time of issue. The filing party almost never advertises the impending patent because they are hoping to snare other manufacturers. So it would appear that the ideas become widespread though independent invention. This pretty much invalidates the whole purpose of having a patent system in the first place. Remember the whole idea isn't just to dole out rewards to inventors, it's to bring inventions into the public domain. If you don't agree with this you better go back and reread the constitution. That must have been required material when you were in patent school. That is why the percentage of total system cost due to software has gone from insignificant in 1950 to the dominant cost today. I would argue that software patents will help to aggravate this situation. In case anyone is wondering, I'm against all patents not just software patents. If we are so proud of our capitalist system why do we have an incentive to undermine the market? Daniel R. Guilderson ryan@cs.umb.edu
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 1025b4,b0a85d23901c1430 X-Google-Attributes: gid1025b4,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1991-03-05 13:24:57 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!gmdzi!unido!mcsun!uunet!olivea!mintaka!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!ai-lab!life.ai.mit.edu!guest From: guest@geech.ai.mit.edu (Guest Account) Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss Subject: Re: False assumptions re: patents Message-ID: <GUEST.91Mar4173530@geech.ai.mit.edu> Date: 4 Mar 91 22:35:30 GMT References: <861@nddsun1.sps.mot.com> <TREE.91Feb27122612@sadye.uvm.edu> <1991Feb28.111753.2@minerva.inesc.pt> <870@nddsun1.sps.mot.com> <GUMBY.91Mar3113623@Cygnus.COM> Sender: news@ai.mit.edu Organization: Guest at MIT Lines: 97 In-reply-to: gumby@Cygnus.COM's message of 3 Mar 91 16:36:23 GMT