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Article #74784Re: compress algorithm patent
From: Ian Kemmish
Date: Sun, 03 Feb 1991 20:07
Date: Sun, 03 Feb 1991 20:07
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I've come into this discussion late - since Peter Deutsch's posting to comp.lang.postscript. There are some essential questions to address when talking about patents that I have not seen so far, so pardon me if I'm repeating somebody else. What countries have the patent applications been made in? Have they been thrown out anywhere? Have they been contested anywhere? (the last two questions avoid an awful lot of armchair legal threshing over whether the patents are `valid' or not!) What is/are the patent number(s) [I'd appreciated the UK number, since the patent library is a very large building that I would not want to get lost in - it's so interesting in there I might not be seen again]? Ideally, could someone actually POST the claims section of the patent(s) so that even those who are not near a patent library can see? Unless the patent actually describes a machine or engine for compressing files, it is unlikely to be valid in my country. ust last month an attempt to patent an algorithm dressed up as a ROM was thrown out. I don't think that LZW could compress an infinite input stream, so presumably it discusses documents or files. Without trial, it would therefore be difficult to ascertain whether a laser printer without the capacity to store files, and which implemented an speicifc algorithm whose existing was a consequence of the implementation of the machines using the patent elsewhere, would actually be covered by the claims. I would not like to risk my mony on fighting such as trial. On the other hand, standalone software such as GhostScript, definitely assumes a filesystem, and would be covered [NOTE: this is a hypothetical issue: I am trying to show how careful you must be with words and definitions here]. Bear in mind that people discuss the law as if it is a formal system; it is not, it is a precedent-driven system. It may be that the LZW patent has never been adequately challenged. If the FSF has money, and *really* beleives what it says, then it might be useful to have a test case. Disclaimers: sorry about the standard of English; I'm typing too fast into a dumb editor. --> I am not a lawyer; I have simply re-implemented around a patent in the past <--- You mileage may vary. ALWAYS consult a lwyer. -- Ian D. Kemmish Tel. +44 767 601 361 18 Durham Close uad1077@dircon.UUCP Biggleswade ukc!dircon!uad1077 Beds SG18 8HZ United Kingdom uad1077@dircon.co.uk
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 1025b4,82227382ca06ee7 X-Google-Attributes: gid1025b4,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1991-02-04 04:10:41 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!gmdzi!unido!mcsun!ukc!slxsys!dircon!uad1077 From: uad1077@dircon.co.uk (Ian Kemmish) Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss Subject: Re: compress algorithm patent Message-ID: <1991PMSun.03.6132@dircon.co.uk> Date: 3 Feb 91 20:07:02 GMT References: <CARLTON.91Jan26141644@husc8.harvard.edu> <6617:Jan2723:16:0991@kramden.acf.nyu.edu> <28455@cs.yale.edu> Organization: The Direct Connection on-line service, UK Lines: 49