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Article #75206Don't avoid Motif, use Xview
From: Mark Lamourine
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 1990 18:10
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 1990 18:10
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Dave Sill Writes: Richard Stallman recently posted a request that FSF supporters avoid writing and using Motif-based applications on the grounds that Motif is a non-Free product. While I wholeheartedly support the FSF and the concept of Free software, I can't help but wish that such support was not counterproductive to the goals of standardization efforts by the various vendor and organizations at work in the X/UNIX community. This seems to me to be a grey area. While OSF is chartered to foster standardization, they are not devoted in any way to free software. If my understanding is correct, they are supposedly devoted to selecting those software items that seem to be most accepted in the industry, and incorporating those items into their portfolio. However, in their recent "Standard Selections" release, there was one notable exception. NFS was not selected as the networking system. Now, at first this may seem obvious. Sun is not a member of OSF. However, NFS *IS* the pervasive networking system on Unix machines (in my experience). If OSF is truly dedicated to fostering standardization, Sun should at least have been approached about it. It is my understanding that they were not. Historically, Sun has not been hesitant to release their software to the public domain when it seemed it might forward their own objectives. (NOTE: the xview library.) What is more, because there was no other PC networking system available, OSF was forced to spec PC-NFS as their PC to Unix network standard. Question of information: is the NFS protocol public domain? I know that it is based on TCP/IP which *is* (It was developed for DoD I think). The point is that OSF is beginning to demonstrate the proprietary traits of it's major members (IBM and Hewlett-Packard/Apollo), and Motif is their baby. On the other hand, The OpenLook spec is available, and xview, an X toolkit that implements the OpenLook spec is freely available from the X consortium. Given this, it seems that proponents of free software should be backing OpenLook as the GUI standard. I have not yet used OpenLook extensively, and the closest I've gotten to Motif is HP's Xwidgets (Also available in the X contrib source). I'm not deeply enough into either GUI to have formed technical opinions or religious convictions. However, I have a strong motivation in the fact the I can and have compiled the X graphics server on every graphics machine I support (Suns, HPs and Vaxen), and have written xview clients that port transparently. When I can do the same with Motif, I might be tempted to compare the two. If I'm not too firmly entrenched by then. If OSF wants Motif to have a chance, I would suggest making ports to non-member machines available *soon*, and free. - Mark ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Lamourine internet: lamourine@draper.com "It's not my fault!", Han Solo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 1025b4,d9b8a880d8f55542 X-Google-Attributes: gid1025b4,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1990-10-18 11:10:32 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!gmdzi!unido!mcsun!uunet!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!RELAY.CS.NET!mal%acme.draper.com From: mal%acme.draper.com@RELAY.CS.NET (Mark Lamourine) Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss Subject: Don't avoid Motif, use Xview Message-ID: <9010181810.AA01570@acme.draper.com> Date: 18 Oct 90 18:10:32 GMT References: <1990Oct18.132320.2068@cs.utk.edu> Sender: karl@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu Distribution: gnu Organization: GNUs Lines: 60 Posted: Thu Oct 18 19:10:32 1990