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Article #75519Re: Look 'n' feel 'n' Lotus
From: Piercarlo Grandi
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 1990 15:49
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 1990 15:49
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In article <58346@bbn.BBN.COM> cosell@bbn.com (Bernie Cosell) writes: [ ... on spreadsheet uset interface design being trivial ... ] I guess I'm not understanding the point here: if it is a zero-creativity, unimportant nobrainer, then why would anyone take Lotus's? If it is so easy to invent, and implement, your own, why not just do it and not use someone else's? The rhteotical question is answered easily: because it has market value in that it is easily recognized by the public. The law recognizes that such things do have a value (e.g. the Coke bottle) as they embody a marketing investment, and as trademark and industrial design protection, which is fine, because it is a fairly weak form of protection under certain aspects. The horrible thing is that Lotus is trying to *copyright* the 1-2-3 user interface, which lasts nearly forever, an is trying to push the idea that all its *derivatives* are also copyrighted. Copyrights are so long lasting and they cover derivatives because they protect an expression, not an idea, and expression has been traditionally very carefully and narrowly defined -- indeed when an idea can only be expressed in one way, that way cannot be copyrighted at all. Stallman is against the granting of temporary or permanent hoarding rights on any form of intellectual property, but even he recognizes that there has been a rationale in providing incentives by the granting of very temporary monopolies. What Lotus and Apple are trying to do is to expand the scope of the existing law in an unanticipated way, not unlike attempts to extend patent protection to algorithms and mathematics using various disguises, and without public discussion and legislation. All the arguments used by the big manufacturers, in this as in the EEC granting of exclusive rights on interfaces, reek very much of the very rational arguments used by guilds to restrict entry to trades and professions in the dark ages. I am not joking here; in the UK the BCS (the equivalent of the ACM) has been working very hard to make programming (at least, initially, in only certain cases) legal only for government (thru the BCS itself, of course) licensed programmers. Many Universities in the UK are very keen on this scheme because the best way (or even a requirement) to get a programmer's license would be having a CS degree from an "accredited" UK (foreigners need not apply...) University, with obvious implications. -- Piercarlo "Peter" Grandi | ARPA: pcg%cs.aber.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk Dept of CS, UCW Aberystwyth | UUCP: ...!mcsun!ukc!aber-cs!pcg Penglais, Aberystwyth SY23 3BZ, UK | INET: pcg@cs.aber.ac.uk
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 1025b4,5269ed15d204ae6d X-Google-Attributes: gid1025b4,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1990-07-23 19:20:51 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!gmdzi!unido!mcsun!ukc!edcastle!dcl-cs!aber-cs!thor!pcg From: pcg@cs.aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi) Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss Subject: Re: Look 'n' feel 'n' Lotus Message-ID: <PCG.90Jul23164927@thor.cs.aber.ac.uk> Date: 23 Jul 90 15:49:27 GMT References: <9007201509.AA03418@crdgw1.ge.com> <9007210130.AA04885@rice-chex> <58346@bbn.BBN.COM> Sender: pcg@aber-cs.UUCP Organization: Coleg Prifysgol Cymru Lines: 51 Posted: Mon Jul 23 16:49:27 1990 In-reply-to: cosell@bbn.com's message of 22 Jul 90 17:00:59 GMT Posting-Front-End: GNU Emacs 18.55.4 of Thu Nov 23 1989 on athene (berkeley-unix)