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Article #932Re: Are you sure UNIX is a trade mark?
From: Joe Kelsey
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:25
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:25
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In <5006@balrog.ctron.com> mattb@ctron.com (Matt Brown) writes: >This, I believe, is what really counts. The ability of a company to >protect its 'property" rests upon its usage and its aggressive defense >of proper usage by others. In other words, if you publish a UNIX book >without once giving ATT/USL its due, they can sue to protect the trade- >mark, after asking you to correct or withdraw the faulty usage. In that >case, every piece of correspondence would strengthen their case. Writing and publishing books comes under the protection of the First Ammendment -- you can put anything you want in a book, regardless of *trademark* protection. You cannot violate copyright laws (plagarism, etc.), but you certainly do not need to acknowledge trademarks anywhere in a publication. Now, if you *advertise* a product for sale, you generally have to pay lip service to trademark rights. I recently did an informal survey of advertisements in several industry rags. A significant number of advertisements either used trademarks with no acknowledgements (UNIX, SUN, words like that) or mis-attributed trademarks. The vast majority of advertisers simply wrote whatever they wanted to, using trademarked adjectives as nouns, etc., and simply included the following statement: All names referenced are trademarks of their respective owners. Yow! You no longer need to go and put (tm), (r), etc. on names, just include the standard disclaimer. Even so, some companies (such as Sun), include specific trademark acknowledgements, and even then Sun doesn't seem to know *which* trademarks it owns. In one advertisement, Sun claims that ``Sun Microsystems and the Sun logo are trademarks of Sun Microsystems, Inc.'', and in another ad, they claim that ``Sun, Sun Microsystems and the Sun logo are trademarks of Sun Microsystems, Inc.'' So, which ad correctly identifies the Sun trademarks? Can Sun sue itself for misuse of trademarks? Trademark protection applies to commercial products. I believe that I have the right to use any words I want in normal day to day conversation and writing, irregardless of commercial trademark claims. When I decide to sell a product that competes with other products whose owners claim trademark protection for thier names, then my advertisements must contain words protecting their trademarks, if I use them. Otherwise, I can (and do) use the word coke to refer to generic cola beverages, band-aid to refer to generic bandages, xerox to refer to the xerography process and machines used therein, and unix to refer to a generic class of operating systems. And, I don't need to pause and acknowledge any claimed trademarks when I use these words! (Unless I own the trademarks!) In summary, trademark law, as I understand it, protects the commerical use of the trademarked names and symbols. I can still use those same words in non-commercial publications freely, without acknowledging their owners or infringing on their owners rights. Note that I do not claim authoritative knowledge here, only informed (? :-) opinion. /Joe speaking for myself.
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Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!mdisea!kelsey From: kelsey@mdd.comm.mot.com (Joe Kelsey) Subject: Re: Are you sure UNIX is a trade mark? Message-ID: <1992Sep11.152521.3740@mdd.comm.mot.com> Sender: news@mdd.comm.mot.com Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA References: <1992Sep2.220141.17026@nntp.hut.fi> <1992Sep4.234429.18294@newsgate.sps.mot.com> <Bu5DBu.IA6@rahul.net> <1992Sep8.135040.5243@pegasus.com> <5006@balrog.ctron.com> Distribution: na Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:25:21 GMT Lines: 54