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Re: Gun Registry- (Reasons why it is wrong - the Greater Evils)

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From: TL Charles
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 21:49
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Apparently you are not paying attention. The registry itself is 
not the primary danger. It is the political and social precedent 
that the existance of this registry actually represents in practice
(and the application of the current laws - fear and persecution).
That is the real eminent threat to society.

You might be surprised at the fact that many gun owners do support
some form of controls on gun usage and ownership, but that most of
those same people oppose this law. So what does that say?

Ignoring for a moment that the law has some major holes in it that
still permit insane people or angry spouses to go out and buy a gun
to kill their family ( holes that the government are well aware of).

Here are your reasons you wanted as to why this registry is a danger.


1) Suspension of rights ( Equality, Freedom and Privacy )

Under the definition of this law gun owners are now second class
citizens who must surrender due process and privacy ( and any normal
rights to free choice). All of this is done under the veil of 
"security", which is a fabrication of the facts at best.  

Under this new law it is possible for the police to enter your
home with no warrant and without reasonable grounds if you are deemed
to own a firearm. Oh and dont believe that crap about them needing
a letter. I know cops who already have ignored that requirement
just as there are CFO's in certain provinces that ignore enforcing
some aspects of the law (and others that abuse it). No one is 
watching the watchers so abuses are going unreported on a daily
basis.

I know a couple friends who have had this happen to them in NS, NF,
and NB. I have witnessed these abuses personally. In one case a
very innocent and law abiding person was painted into a corner by
the laws and told no matter what they did that they would be arrested
and sent to jail. The media strangely was silent on that case. The
fact that they are makes some of us wonder why. Ironically it was
the police who intervened to keep a corrupt government official
from carrying out the arrest. Score one for the few honest cops.

I also know gun dealers who have been convicted of selling stolen
firearms and machineguns in NS that have their dealers license back
in two weeks after they are charged. The law is a joke, and is being
used even now as a tool by corrupt officials to carry out their
police state agendas. Again the media ignored it.

Property is being seized illegally and opponents to the law are 
being silenced by being made criminals. These are practices that
have no good place in a free country or nation that is suppose 
to honor the rights of its citizens.


2) LAWS of Convenience  - first signs of a corrupt state

The final goal of this new law is to give authorities more 
powers that they can abuse, and that which Canadians will have no
legal defense against. Laws already exist that allows police 
to control the distribution of weapons. Bill C-68 allows the police
to declare ANYTHING as being a weapon, thus enabling them to charge
you with possession of a weapon at their discretion. Go read the
law.

This happens now when some guns are confiscated during supposed 
crimes, and even after the person is cleared of the crime the CFC
will not allow them to get their weapons back, or to buy more.
While this is technically illegal, it is still being done.

If you have ever had any dealing with small town political situations
then you would be aware of how petty political and personal agendas
of councillers are often furthered through the creation of "Laws
of Convenience". These are bylaws that are often directed at other
persons in a town who fall out of favor, and thus bringing in these
laws permits the so called "privledged" few to threaten the lesser
people in town with the repercussions of the law if they do not 
cooperate with the ruling powers that be. 

Such laws are selectively enforced so that the corrupt can blackmail
and pressure other persons to submit to the corrupt persons authority.
Hence the term "Convenience", meaning that they can screw someone 
they dont like when they feel like it. 

Although ethically illegal in principle, such things go on in Canada
on a daily basis. It is one of the primary failings of our 
supposed democratic process as Canadians define it. A system that
allowed ANY such laws to be put in place only after public referendum 
would do much to stop this from happening, but in Canada that is 
considered politically incorrect. Hence of the reasons why our 
political processes are so dysfunctional and in fact "undemocratic".
Canadians are deceived as a result.


3) The government is using this law to endanger rights to due process.

This may not sound important to you, but wait until you have to deal
with the legal system and find out that lack of due process means 
you are in the hands of any law Nazi who has no restrictions or
requirments to preserver your right to life or any other right of
freedom.


4) Property Laws - under this bill you have none. They dont like you,
then they take your guns away. And the dont even need reasonable cause
anymore. Read the law on C-68 and the amendments. You may be 
surprised.


5) Discrimination = Landlords are already asking/telling some tenants
that guns are not permitted on their premises. People are also afraid
to mention in public that they own a gun for the appropriate fear of
being treated differently.


6) Ostracization - The stigma attached to owning a gun is worse then 
that attached to pedos and people with immoral practices. 

The villainizing of people with guns is neither logical or justified
unless the intent is some hidden long term agenda to remove guns from
society. This is how guns were removed in Britain and Australia (for
starters) and how who gets a gun is controlled in other nations that
have no democratic practices at all.

7) Police State Freedoms - No one likes to talk about this one, but
the fact that the government can easily turn on its population 
overnight means that a balanced social state requires the means by
which its populace can defend itself against a corrupt state, and
if necessary rise up in armed defiance of that state. This is the
main goal behind the American Second Amendment, and not the 
"invasion by the British" bullcrap argument of the anti-gunners.

The state is bringin in laws that enable the agents of the state
to persecute and oppress innocent and law abiding people based upon
being able to quickly and easily label them as "criminals" in the
eyes of the rest of the general population. This allows them to 
carry out a divide and conquer agenda that people do not see as 
actual oppression or repression of any laws of freedom.

In other words.....

The actions of the government in bringing this and related Bills in
appears to be a coordinated action to create an authoritarian police
state, and that is the biggest fear that many people with a brain
have about it (gun owners and none gun owners). While most of us
are willing to give the ruling executive the benefit of human doubt
and good intentions, the clouds of something darker appear to be
forming over Ottawa. The 9-11 attacks are just a catalyst that permit
some of this to happen faster then the architects intented. 

I too once labelled such thoughts as paranoid thinking. But I have
seen so many abuses by the authorities and government in the past
ten years that I now know otherwise. These are dangerous times
for freedom and civil rights.

Perhaps the general population needs to pay more attention to what
questionable decisions and laws the government is trying to pass.
While the govs may like us to be stupid, you still have the ability
to go out and get access to information and knowledge without any
"security" laws holding you back from most of it. Somehow though
I doubt that things will stay that way for much longer.

If after reading all of this you still dont see what is wrong with 
the gun registry itself or the dangers in it, then you are BLIND.
Maybe its time you take a step back and look at the government
choices with a more critical outlook.

Also Why is the government privatizing this so quickly after spending
so much money on it? If the RCMP were privatized would you not
start to be concerned?

All things for you to consider.......
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