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Article #1591Re: Gun Registry- (Reasons why it is wrong - the Greater Evils)
From: TL Charles
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 21:49
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 21:49
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Apparently you are not paying attention. The registry itself is not the primary danger. It is the political and social precedent that the existance of this registry actually represents in practice (and the application of the current laws - fear and persecution). That is the real eminent threat to society. You might be surprised at the fact that many gun owners do support some form of controls on gun usage and ownership, but that most of those same people oppose this law. So what does that say? Ignoring for a moment that the law has some major holes in it that still permit insane people or angry spouses to go out and buy a gun to kill their family ( holes that the government are well aware of). Here are your reasons you wanted as to why this registry is a danger. 1) Suspension of rights ( Equality, Freedom and Privacy ) Under the definition of this law gun owners are now second class citizens who must surrender due process and privacy ( and any normal rights to free choice). All of this is done under the veil of "security", which is a fabrication of the facts at best. Under this new law it is possible for the police to enter your home with no warrant and without reasonable grounds if you are deemed to own a firearm. Oh and dont believe that crap about them needing a letter. I know cops who already have ignored that requirement just as there are CFO's in certain provinces that ignore enforcing some aspects of the law (and others that abuse it). No one is watching the watchers so abuses are going unreported on a daily basis. I know a couple friends who have had this happen to them in NS, NF, and NB. I have witnessed these abuses personally. In one case a very innocent and law abiding person was painted into a corner by the laws and told no matter what they did that they would be arrested and sent to jail. The media strangely was silent on that case. The fact that they are makes some of us wonder why. Ironically it was the police who intervened to keep a corrupt government official from carrying out the arrest. Score one for the few honest cops. I also know gun dealers who have been convicted of selling stolen firearms and machineguns in NS that have their dealers license back in two weeks after they are charged. The law is a joke, and is being used even now as a tool by corrupt officials to carry out their police state agendas. Again the media ignored it. Property is being seized illegally and opponents to the law are being silenced by being made criminals. These are practices that have no good place in a free country or nation that is suppose to honor the rights of its citizens. 2) LAWS of Convenience - first signs of a corrupt state The final goal of this new law is to give authorities more powers that they can abuse, and that which Canadians will have no legal defense against. Laws already exist that allows police to control the distribution of weapons. Bill C-68 allows the police to declare ANYTHING as being a weapon, thus enabling them to charge you with possession of a weapon at their discretion. Go read the law. This happens now when some guns are confiscated during supposed crimes, and even after the person is cleared of the crime the CFC will not allow them to get their weapons back, or to buy more. While this is technically illegal, it is still being done. If you have ever had any dealing with small town political situations then you would be aware of how petty political and personal agendas of councillers are often furthered through the creation of "Laws of Convenience". These are bylaws that are often directed at other persons in a town who fall out of favor, and thus bringing in these laws permits the so called "privledged" few to threaten the lesser people in town with the repercussions of the law if they do not cooperate with the ruling powers that be. Such laws are selectively enforced so that the corrupt can blackmail and pressure other persons to submit to the corrupt persons authority. Hence the term "Convenience", meaning that they can screw someone they dont like when they feel like it. Although ethically illegal in principle, such things go on in Canada on a daily basis. It is one of the primary failings of our supposed democratic process as Canadians define it. A system that allowed ANY such laws to be put in place only after public referendum would do much to stop this from happening, but in Canada that is considered politically incorrect. Hence of the reasons why our political processes are so dysfunctional and in fact "undemocratic". Canadians are deceived as a result. 3) The government is using this law to endanger rights to due process. This may not sound important to you, but wait until you have to deal with the legal system and find out that lack of due process means you are in the hands of any law Nazi who has no restrictions or requirments to preserver your right to life or any other right of freedom. 4) Property Laws - under this bill you have none. They dont like you, then they take your guns away. And the dont even need reasonable cause anymore. Read the law on C-68 and the amendments. You may be surprised. 5) Discrimination = Landlords are already asking/telling some tenants that guns are not permitted on their premises. People are also afraid to mention in public that they own a gun for the appropriate fear of being treated differently. 6) Ostracization - The stigma attached to owning a gun is worse then that attached to pedos and people with immoral practices. The villainizing of people with guns is neither logical or justified unless the intent is some hidden long term agenda to remove guns from society. This is how guns were removed in Britain and Australia (for starters) and how who gets a gun is controlled in other nations that have no democratic practices at all. 7) Police State Freedoms - No one likes to talk about this one, but the fact that the government can easily turn on its population overnight means that a balanced social state requires the means by which its populace can defend itself against a corrupt state, and if necessary rise up in armed defiance of that state. This is the main goal behind the American Second Amendment, and not the "invasion by the British" bullcrap argument of the anti-gunners. The state is bringin in laws that enable the agents of the state to persecute and oppress innocent and law abiding people based upon being able to quickly and easily label them as "criminals" in the eyes of the rest of the general population. This allows them to carry out a divide and conquer agenda that people do not see as actual oppression or repression of any laws of freedom. In other words..... The actions of the government in bringing this and related Bills in appears to be a coordinated action to create an authoritarian police state, and that is the biggest fear that many people with a brain have about it (gun owners and none gun owners). While most of us are willing to give the ruling executive the benefit of human doubt and good intentions, the clouds of something darker appear to be forming over Ottawa. The 9-11 attacks are just a catalyst that permit some of this to happen faster then the architects intented. I too once labelled such thoughts as paranoid thinking. But I have seen so many abuses by the authorities and government in the past ten years that I now know otherwise. These are dangerous times for freedom and civil rights. Perhaps the general population needs to pay more attention to what questionable decisions and laws the government is trying to pass. While the govs may like us to be stupid, you still have the ability to go out and get access to information and knowledge without any "security" laws holding you back from most of it. Somehow though I doubt that things will stay that way for much longer. If after reading all of this you still dont see what is wrong with the gun registry itself or the dangers in it, then you are BLIND. Maybe its time you take a step back and look at the government choices with a more critical outlook. Also Why is the government privatizing this so quickly after spending so much money on it? If the RCMP were privatized would you not start to be concerned? All things for you to consider.......
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