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On Sat, 13 Dec 1997, James H. Steiger wrote:

::ak955@chebucto.ns.ca (Barbara Amero) wrote:
::
::>James H. Steiger (steiger@remove.this.to.reply.unixg.ubc.ca) wrote:
::>: ak955@chebucto.ns.ca (Barbara Amero) wrote:
::>
::>: >That fella should qualify which males, as I did - misogynist men like
::>: >Steiger, and I will now add John Jenkins Sr., aka daddio (gawdhepus).
::>: >
::>
::>: Feminist dictionary:
::>
::>: mis-o-gyn-ist  1. A man whose arguments make a misandrist feel
::>: uncomfortable.  
::>
::>I've never seen a "Feminist dictionary".
::
::Funny, you seem to use one constantly. 
::
::>
::>Steiger's argument that 1/3 of rape accusations are false makes me
::>feel right some uncomfortable. 
::
::Of course they would. They counteract your very slanted presentation!
::
::>Whose interests are served by flogging <snip>
::
::those data?  Easy -- the interests of anyone who cares
::about accuracy in social science! The data are fascinating!
::
::>Certainly not women's interests. 
::
::You're confusing "women's interests" with your interests.
::Is it in "women's interests" to have huge amounts of resources
::wasted hunting imaginary rapists?
::
::You have little to do in life other than rant inaccurately
::about your twisted view of the world, one in which women 
::live in constant fear, and male perpetrators lurk around
::every dark corner.
::
::Hence, your interest is in trolling the internet with your
::outdated quotes from Women's Studies classes, hoping to 
::arouse hostility from outraged readers, so that you can
::then claim you were offended, wounded, victimized, etc.,
::and gain a fair measure of revenge against the intelligent,
::accomplished, rational people of the world.
::
::Rational people would ignore you, except that we have found
::that, by ignoring the kind of misandrist nonsense you post, we are
::giving it credence by default.
::
::Women's interests are served by having honest, open access
::to the world, and not by having a paranoid, incorrect view
::of the world.
::
::>To say that 1/3 of rape
::>accusations are false is illogical, when you consider it is estimated
::>that only about 10% of rapes/sexual assaults are reported because, for
::>one, women do not want to be faced with such an ordeal.
::
::Now that's a classic example of Amero Logic in action. 
::
::First, the "estimate" of "only about 10%" has been widely discredited.
::It is a complete myth. 
::
::But even a 9th grader could tell you that both the above statistics
::*could* be true simultaneously. Problem is, your 10% has been
::discredited, while mine is supported by hard evidence, published
::in reputable places.
::
::But, perhaps more important, the whole notion that rape is a prevalent
::crime, and that a substantial minority of women, as many as 25%, have
::been raped or sexually assaulted in their lifetime is also false, an
::artifactual finding resulting from bad research procedures.
::
::
::>
::>One rape myth is that "the woman was trying to get back at the man she was
::>angry with". 
::>Burt (1980) has shown that rape myth
::
::Burt showed nothing, because this isn't a myth...it has been verified
::in two independent studies... Burt, I suspect, simply did a study
::showing a certain multivariate structure of attitudes. This has
::nothing to do with showing that anything was a myth. Feminists
::think that by labeling attitudes "myths," they can automatically
::discredit them. Some feminists have said "women never lie about rape."
::Now, *there* is a real rape myth.
::
::The studies of fabricated rape allegations were ones in which women
::themselves *admitted* in writing what they did, and why. They
::volunteered the explanations. They made the original false
::accusations. Ask anyone who works in law enforcement. There are high
::profile cases of such fabrications all the time.
::
::For example, just very recently, a woman whose claims of rape 
::and abduction had prompted a very extensive [and expensive]
::police manhunt admitted the whole thing was a fabrication.
::Did the police put her in jail? No. Did they make her pay
::anything? Not that I know of. Women get away
::scot-free with this behavior most of the time. Until
::we get strict legal penalties in place, this will continue,
::and a fair number of innocent [completely innocent] men
::will be rounded up and put in jail.
::
::I leave with a quote from an article that appeared recently. 
::
::Read and heed, Barbara.
::
::
::"[Jill] Hightower, who is 60, and has been married for 42 years,
::said feminists interested in reducing spousal abuse should be reaching
::out to the majority of men who are not violent and toning down their
::rhetoric. 'We have to work with the whole of society,' she said."
::
::     -- Vancouver Province
::
::[Jill Hightower is executive director of the B.C. Institute for Family
::Violence]
::
::
::
::

Exactly! This is what I've been saying for years. I never understood the
feminist methodology, which seems to be "Lets hit them over the head, then
demand that they help us in hitting them over the head." IOW, how do they
expect cooperation when they practice abuse like this? The main problem
with today's feminism (the reason for the feminist butts: you know, the
women who say I'm a feminist, but...) (what you, Professor Steiger, call
gender feminism, I think) is that it is devisive. It creates unnecessary
divisions between the 2 species. I'm beginning to suspect deliberatly so.
What their motive is, I don't know. *I* can't figure them out. (Note to
Barbarous Amerous: No lectures please. I would like to hear from some
sensible posters, for a change.)

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