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Article #606Re: The Bible is False
From: FNO
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 21:26
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 21:26
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<snip - as irrelevant to the point at hand> > >Nope. You have nothing to teach. > > > > > > You would have no way of knowing that since in order to, you would have had to > have agreed to engage with me as a pupil in the Socratic method of teaching > autononous thinking. > I do have very good evidence of that assertion, since if you were schooled in such methods, I would have expected you to apply them and understand them. You didn't. Therefore any credibility with respect to any of the generally-accepted philosophical methods, principles and concepts goes out the window with your arguments that have, time and time again, violated those very principles. Those who understand Socrates, Hume, Berkeley, Descartes and any other number of the world's best known critical thinkers tend to use the lessons they learn from them; which is why they are the world's best-known critical thinkers. Since neither you, nor I, can make the same claim, we have to assume that they did know something we don't. You see, teaching places certain responsibilities on the teacher, and certain ones on the student. It is not an imbalance. Because the teacher must also be willing to learn, in order to teach; the best method of teaching is still by example. Again, you have not shown that you have to ability to teach anything, and you have given plenty of evidence to the contrary. Interestingly enough, it is all there for the world to see for anyone who would want to waste enough time to read this entire thread. Lucky the internet is somewhat anonymous, eh? In addition, people who need to make a claim about superiority, rarely are; if they were, it would be obvious to anyone. Therefore, your claim of being "a high-functioning autodidak", where "two months of your research equates to several years of graduate work for others" is really the same implicit claim that any high-school dropout makes when they decide to fight a speeding ticket because they think that a couple of days with the MVA equates to a few years of law school. If that is the case, why are you not a professor at some recognized university. Most universities provide a method of challenging undergraduate degrees so one can go directly into graduate work. And, if you can function that highly in research, why not write a Phd thesis within your first year and go from there. Once you have done that, then your wild claims will become acceptable. How about the claim to being well on the way to becoming a Philosopher King? Yet, you haven't shown any evidence that you even know how to form a decent argument, and even if you do, your tendency to not bother indicates a complete lack of intellectual discipline. Any philosopher worth his/her salt would never dain to stoop as low as to deliberately inject a fallacy into an argument. For one thing, for philosophers, the truth or falsity of an argument is irrelevant; only its validity is important. The preponderance of evidence here is that you haven't the foggiest notion of what you are talking about, and you don't even understand that you don't understand. And so, I can't say for certain that there is nothing I can learn from you just as you can't say for certain there is nothing you can learn from me. However, given the length of the thread I have engaged in with you, and you have not only taught me nothing, but in fact shown that you don't really know much that I need to learn, or even how to form a decent argument or to stick to a consistent one without resorting to insults (contrary to your belief that IS an Ad Hominem fallacy; which is further evidence that you don't really understand anything to do with philosophy), I have sufficient evidence to make that claim. In fact, I would be willing to bet that unless you re-read the thread, you probably have no idea what the original premises were. That leads me to the conclusion that even if you do know something that would interest me, there are far more efficicient ways for me to gain that knowledge than to continue to engage you.
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X-Google-Thread: fbdd9,3766c44ad52a6145 X-Google-Thread: 10643c,3766c44ad52a6145 X-Google-Thread: 1083bf,3766c44ad52a6145 X-Google-Thread: 10d2a3,3766c44ad52a6145 X-Google-Thread: 109a5e,3766c44ad52a6145 X-Google-Attributes: gidfbdd9,gid10643c,gid1083bf,gid10d2a3,gid109a5e,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news1.google.com!news4.google.com!news.glorb.com!newsfeed2.telusplanet.net!newsfeed.telus.net!edtnps84.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "FNO" <Me@home.ca> Newsgroups: hfx.general,tor.general,van.general,edm.general,calgary.general References: <cnd639$l1p$1@vcn.bc.ca> <858bd3a9.0411171050.7c8514d0@posting.google.com> <MPG.1c069b81dd361972989c8b@news.sf.sbcglobal.net> <aa4rp0pjpl5q7ttqs20n7sdebr7c77n0na@4ax.com> <MPG.1c07f249d7a1b8be989c94@news.sf.sbcglobal.net> <BDC85883.3DE5A%hisshadow@bigmailbox.net> <LkOod.204809$9b.182054@edtnps84> <%DOod.318215$%k.209025@pd7tw2no> <OnPod.15241$l65.5690@clgrps13> <9ug7q0tc20ma77j17gmpffoite6ku2dt6i@4ax.com> <7UPod.15260$l65.13923@clgrps13> <n3l7q0pjk7497rh2llp8mqhrq4lg6qp7nv@4ax.com> <hGQod.309646$Pl.266071@pd7tw1no> <PaSod.319584$%k.59888@pd7tw2no> <RnUod.15328$l65.11153@clgrps13> <h%7pd.181407$df2.125158@edtnps89> <Odqpd.207061$9b.160829@edtnps84> <8Yspd.207170$9b.73596@edtnps84> <Ndupd.189543$df2.35583@edtnps89> <7Supd.207327$9b.65052@edtnps84> <Ekwpd.207386$9b.49630@edtnps84> Subject: Re: The Bible is False Lines: 73 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: <BcNpd.208595$9b.36973@edtnps84> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 21:26:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.222.203.182 X-Trace: edtnps84 1101504417 24.222.203.182 (Fri, 26 Nov 2004 14:26:57 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 14:26:57 MST