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In article <qX7pd.181406$df2.17087@edtnps89>, Me@home.ca says...
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>"Danie|_ Swan" <DAN@ZIONIST-HEADQUARTERS.com> wrote in message
>news:q9Uod.204942$9b.178450@edtnps84...
>> In article <hGQod.309646$Pl.266071@pd7tw1no>, you.dont.get@it.com says...
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>> >Helper Monkey Assault Squad 7 wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 23:40:51 GMT, DAN@ZIONIST-HEADQUARTERS.com
>> >> (Danie|_ Swan) wrote:
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>> >>
>> >>>>>No, faith is belief in something without proof.  Since proof doesn't
>exist
>> >>>>>faith can be based on a hunch, a "gut feeling", or highly developed
>tools
>> of
>> >>>>>reasoning.  Personally, I choose the latter to build my faith on.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Ok. I'll bite. How do your highly developed tools of
>> >>>>reasoning lead you to believe in God?
>> >>>
>> >>>They don't, they've led me to atheism.
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>> >>
>> >> Oh well, so much for that argument.
>> >
>> >Yes, and it's still just a belief. A blind leap of faith,
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>> Wrong, it's a leap of faith but it is not a 'blind' leap of faith because,
>as I
>> said, the leap of faith is based on highly developed tools of reasoning.
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>Higly developed tools of reasoning have no place in faith. Faith is a belief
>or affirmation in the absence proof or reason. 

Wrong.  Faith is belief in the absence of proof, not reason.  Belief in the 
absenece of reason is superstition.


> That being said, reason has
>no place in faith.  Even a wrong conclusion can be arrived at using reason
>if the premises are flawed.  However, it is then a wrong conclusion, not
>faith.

But you will put some measure of faith in that conclusion based on your 
reasoning.  The better the quality of your reasoning, the more likely you'll 
find flaws in your hypothesis.