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On 22 Nov 2004 22:10:25 -0800, in van.general ghost_of_the_hangman@yahoo.com
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>:-{P>First off I am not saying that all religious people are crazy. But here
>:-{P>are some things worth considering in this on going argument.
>:-{P>
>:-{P>To equate mental health issues with religion is considered taboo, but
>:-{P>there are a lot of similiarities. 
>:-{P>
>:-{P>1) OCD is a compulsion to think that if something is not done a particular
>:-{P>way or in a particular order, then it is wrong for the universe and 
>:-{P>the person cannot have justification for their actions otherwise. 
>:-{P>Hence they are compelled towards their behavior. 
>:-{P>
>:-{P>A religious person on the other hand often sees that for something in the
>:-{P>universe to have a particular order to it that we are some how compelled
>:-{P>to believe in a higher power, else the universe has no justification.
>:-{P>Hence they are also compelled to "spread the word" else they feel guilt,
>:-{P>just as OCD people are compelled to put controls on others to suit their
>:-{P>own beliefs.
>:-{P>
>:-{P>People from both camps practice irrational thought in order to justify
>:-{P>their existence. Insofar as that is concerned the behaviors and goals 
>:-{P>are the same even if the causes differ. All the education or positive
>:-{P>social behavior in the world (aka do good too others) cannot be used
>:-{P>as curtain behind which to hide issues of mental illness.
>:-{P>
>:-{P>2) Christianity existed before the bible. Much about the bible is
>:-{P>clearly irrational and contradictory, however people still believe
>:-{P>in it. The bible was not the origin of Christian thought, only a
>:-{P>collection of writings associated with it.
>:-{P>
>:-{P>The way that modern religions cling to biblical text is wrongful. 
>:-{P>The translation issue, the lack of proper canonization, the amount
>:-{P>of evidence that exists in dispute, the lack of physical evidence
>:-{P>to support the bible historically, and most of all the forgotten
>:-{P>fact that some of the old text was written in code to purposefully
>:-{P>decieve enemies reading it -- are all forgotten as they counter
>:-{P>delusional thoughts. And many religious zealots and leaders get
>:-{P>that way from having delusional ideals of grandour because they
>:-{P>believe they have divine right.
>:-{P>
>:-{P>This is more a testament to how many people are irrational in their
>:-{P>behavior out of a need for faith and some degree of order. That does
>:-{P>not make them mentally ill. However delusions and deception are the
>:-{P>tools of people who seek to control others, and the bible is a 
>:-{P>perfect example of that. God tends to show people the meaning
>:-{P>of his existence in other ways, and the bible is not the last 
>:-{P>world on that. If you have ever had such an experience then you
>:-{P>would understand this better. 
>:-{P>
>:-{P>Religious people are often the last to recognize that, and the
>:-{P>first to misinterpret such events when they occur.  
>:-{P>
>:-{P>3) There is little doubt that religion is a haven for the mentally
>:-{P>ill to hide within, but that does not mean people searching for
>:-{P>the meaning of the universe or a justification in a higher power
>:-{P>are ill. The need to distinguish the wack jobs from those simply
>:-{P>trying to be pious is important. Wack jobs on the other hand only
>:-{P>distinguish so as to justify persecution of the heretics. They
>:-{P>are clearly deluded, even if they act in the name of god or not.
>:-{P>
>:-{P>To qualify spiritual belief as a mental illness is wrong, because
>:-{P>it is a quest for knowledge. Religion on the other hand deals mostly
>:-{P>with blind faith, obedience, guilt, persecution, and hellfire so 
>:-{P>that it can warp the minds of its followers and create a cult or
>:-{P>occultic mentality. This latter practice is called brainwashing.
>:-{P>People who are brainwashed are considered mentally ill.
>:-{P>
>:-{P>Humanism is a logical and compassionate spiritual outlook, therefore
>:-{P>it has little place in religious evangelical organizations -- as the
>:-{P>practice of being "decent" goes against religious dogma and "faith".
>:-{P>But people blinded by religious hypnosis are conditioned to follow
>:-{P>only the "irrational logic" of the Bible or Quran. Humanism counters
>:-{P>the actions of dictators and tyrants, so therefore a humanist is
>:-{P>labelled as the "common enemy".
>:-{P>
>:-{P>When all is said and done, using god or religion as justification to
>:-{P>kill innocent people or those who dont believe what you believe is 
>:-{P>a wrongful basis of rational thought. Chances are high that if you
>:-{P>disagree with that line of reasoning, then you are most likely one
>:-{P>of those borderline wack jobs and you just dont realize it yet.
>:-{P>
>:-{P>Time to put the matter to rest and acknowledge that the first 
>:-{P>priority is decency and compassion, regardless of what god we 
>:-{P>come from. Otherwise the battles will never end, and the suffering
>:-{P>caused by wack jobs will never cease, and the mentally ill that
>:-{P>follow religion will never be cured.
>:-{P>
>:-{P>Just a few thoughts.......
>:-{P>
>:-{P>"Religion is like Alcohol. Everyone thinks you should have some, but
>:-{P>no one is willing to say anything when you have too much."
>:-{P>RSC

Another interesting quote, I forget who said it, went like this, "If you speak
to god you are religious, if he talks back your spiritual, and if you
believe...your nuts..." I forget the whole thing but it made a great point.

Speaking of cults and mental health, if you believe in space Aliens and start a
cult you can get press as a Scientologist to push Eugenics or as a Raelian to
push cloning.  But if you know or suspect those cults are using technology to
drive you mad, recruit you, pretend to be extraterrestrial or
counter-anthropromorphic, well just plain harass you you will be labelled nuts
and possibly hospitalized by those groups considered to be worth CNN's time.

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