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"Scream Machine" <shake@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<8N0md.228369$%k.113699@pd7tw2no>...
> If people are so against "religion", and claim they are secular, then where
> did you get your values, ideas and culture from then?

> A pack of wolves? I just love these atheists who think they "chose" which
> language and culture they were brought up in. As if every influence and
> value they have absorbed was all carefully controlled and approved of by
> them.
> 
> If you didn't get your values from religion then where did you get your
> values from then? Corporations that sold you them? The TV?
> 

Ah so you support the evangelical Us and Them argument too I guess. Well
guess what friend, there are more sources of ethical and moral guidance
then the bible. 

> Well, if you get your values from corporations, then you like the idea of:

I am no supporter of corporations. I do a lot for anti-poverty and social
justice, but yet again you assume because I am a humanist that we are not
capable of such thinking. 

> 
> Secular people don't value anything. And if they do, then it's just
> materialism and money.
> 

That is prejudice of the highest order, and exactly what one expects from
people who are blinded by religious dogma. 

> In Islam, religion *is* politics. Religion is simply ideology or ideas or
> values, or what's important to the people. In fact, judaism started out as
> laws, then morphed into "religion". Religion - law - politics - ideas -
> values - they're all the same thing. To say your going to separate "ideas"
> from politics is like saying your going to separate conjoined twins that
> share the same brain.
>

And the Christian right in the Holy American Empire want religion to be
the reason for political decisions made there.  What makes you think
the Bible is any better then the Quran.
 
> There simply must be some direction in peoples lives - some values and ideas
> that can be a beacon for lost souls.
> 
I agree. Those with no ethics are a problem.

> People claiming to be secular - people who value nothing and claim to have
> "chosen" everything that has shaped and influenced them throughout their
> lives - may as well have been brought up by a pack of wolves. That's all
> they deserve.
> 
> 
> 

Have you ever asked yourself why the Evangelicals preach against humanists
and depict them as the enemy?