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Your not paying attention so put down the Jesus juice and listen.
Good morals or bad morals are part of the "human reasoning" not religion as 
I pointed out with a bible analogy
two brothers yet one kills the other both received the same moral 
instruction or training direct from and after speaking directly with his 
God.
Did one learn from a pack of wolves as you suggest those who don't follow 
dogma do.? Did he get his instruction from his parents who supposedly are 
the first parents to the first children ?
I think you have no valid point an so rant on about corrupt corporations and 
wolves packs.
You don't need the church for moral values it has been that way from day 
one, not the bible day one but the real day one where people were just down 
out of the trees 75000 years before the bible claims the earth to be.
Any one can tell the difference at birth between hot and cold they don't 
need wolves to tell them. We all feel pain and joy we don't need wolves or 
child molesting holy men, Corporations or Bible dogma to know how to feel 
good or bad. You are mixing too may different things into your reasoning 
such as wolves corporations and modern religion to prove just what I can no 
longer tell. Stick to basics and put down the high on Jesus juice.

As for language and social standing we are all parts of the society we are 
born to no big revelation there. Its what you learn on your own that makes 
us who we are and not what you were trained to believe Just Ask Cane or 
Able, We have free will and when we find out through thinking and good old 
"Human Reasoning" that religion is laughable fables unnecessary or out right 
and dogma so we stop following the fairy tales all without the help of 
wolves or corrupt corporations.
Millions of modern families do not follow doctrine and are great people with 
good social and personal morals who come from generations of non religious 
families.



"Scream Machine" <shake@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
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> If people are so against "religion", and claim they are secular, then 
> where
> did you get your values, ideas and culture from then?
> A pack of wolves? I just love these atheists who think they "chose" which
> language and culture they were brought up in. As if every influence and
> value they have absorbed was all carefully controlled and approved of by
> them.
>
> If you didn't get your values from religion then where did you get your
> values from then? Corporations that sold you them? The TV?
>
> Well, if you get your values from corporations, then you like the idea of:
> - exploiting workers
> - laying off and firing workers to increase profits! yay!
> - Polluting the environment.
> - Hiring marketing agencies to help you sell things people don't need.
> - Creating drugs and products that are harmful to people without first
> testing them, because they are in such a rush to start profitting as soon 
> as
> possible.
> - money! money! money!
>
> I could go on. I'll save it for some other time. I've been meaning to 
> write
> a post on our "Choice culture". Like these people who are in their
> mid-twenties go on this "me" thing where they all "choose" another 
> religion,
> like buddhism, like it's a religious product - like they were choosing 
> fries
> or salad with their meal. Simply put, people don't "choose" which mother
> tongue they are going to have growing up. We also don't choose our parents
> or how they parent us. But according to these "choose fascists", they 
> think
> life is all about choices from the get-go, from the second you plop out of
> the womb. Or as if they "chose" when to be born. Not so. More on it later.
>
> Secular people don't value anything. And if they do, then it's just
> materialism and money.
>
> People shouldn't expect to get their values from corporations or the TV. 
> If
> the tv show "Jerry Springer" is where people look for their values, then 
> our
> culture is in dire straights. Or if they expect it to be sold to them in a
> product that some business is selling them, be afraid.
> And our government which has opted to seperate "church from state" is no
> where to look for values either. Canada has opted to go for the money -
> pandering and attracting foreign investment and newcomers and selling and
> whoring out it's values like a cheap $5 hooker.
> In Islam, religion *is* politics. Religion is simply ideology or ideas or
> values, or what's important to the people. In fact, judaism started out as
> laws, then morphed into "religion". Religion - law - politics - ideas -
> values - they're all the same thing. To say your going to separate "ideas"
> from politics is like saying your going to separate conjoined twins that
> share the same brain.
>
> There simply must be some direction in peoples lives - some values and 
> ideas
> that can be a beacon for lost souls.
>
> People claiming to be secular - people who value nothing and claim to have
> "chosen" everything that has shaped and influenced them throughout their
> lives - may as well have been brought up by a pack of wolves. That's all
> they deserve.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Stings" <eatspam@yohospam.cpm> wrote in message
> news:Ux%ld.153512$df2.119257@edtnps89...
>> I cant believe you said that without thinking, The world is full of
>> religious killers in fact its bible history. Anyone reading the bible
> would
>> realize Able and Cane knew God personally and yet a murder was committed
>> their values direct from God one could assume.
>> Kids have values long before being introduced to religious fairy tales.
>> Human secular values are basic to all humans regardless of brand of
> religion
>> of degree of atheism. Its part of being human knowing what is hot or cold
>> right and wrong. If you don't like they way someone is treating you
> quickly
>> realize its wrong and when someone treats you with warmth and comfort you
>> like it and realize its good, basic no religion involved.
>> Gerry Springier is full of religious freaks as is religion with its child
>> molesting leaders who seem not to have adopted the religious values you
>> think we all need to be good citizens.
>> They pass on the problem of molested kids are more likely to molest 
>> others
>> later in life do drugs and prison, nice values religion gave them.
>>
>>
>> "Scream Machine" <shake@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:xM_ld.224529$nl.53650@pd7tw3no...
>> > So if you're so "secular", then where did you get your values from?
>> > Corporations? TV? Jerry Springer?
>> >
>> > Loser.
>> >
>> >
>> > "Ghost of IT" <ghost_of_the_hangman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> > news:b22f8b35.0411141555.32b478c7@posting.google.com...
>> >> So as not to add miles to the previous thread.....
>> >>
>> >> The problem with using the Bible as a guidebook is:
>> >>
>> >> 1) The current King James Bible is not the original bible.
>> >> 2) When the current bible was created much was lost in translation
>> >> 3) Many of the original scrolls and manuscripts have been left out.
>> >> 4) The Vatican to this day has concealed much of the source of the
>> >>    old scrolls and other writings that contradict the bible for
>> >>    obvious reasons.
>> >>
>> >> More evil is done in the name of religion in general then by any
>> >> other vehicle of human history or experience.
>> >>
>> >> Using the bible as a source of morality that supposedly preaches
>> >> humanity, when "humanism" based philosphies are condemned as
>> >> heresy or heathenism is indeed hypocracy of the highest order.
>> >> It is also endemic of delusional behavior.
>> >>
>> >> Like it or not your logic is flawed, and thus your practices
>> >> and belief's are flawed.
>> >
>> >
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