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"Scream Machine" <shake@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> If people are so against "religion", and claim they are secular, then
where
> did you get your values, ideas and culture from then?

our culture is indeed steeped in a christian history.  so much of our
european past comes infused with christian 'values', from literature to
music to paintings.  so truly, for us 'secularists' to say that the world of
religion hasn't affected us isn't true.  but to discredit people who aren't
religious and assume that they have no moral code is to be blind.  we are
empathic by design, we learn that kindness can be reciprocal, we learn that
killing people is wrong, not just because of prison but because we respect
autonomy.


> A pack of wolves? I just love these atheists who think they "chose" which
> language and culture they were brought up in. As if every influence and
> value they have absorbed was all carefully controlled and approved of by
> them.
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> If you didn't get your values from religion then where did you get your
> values from then? Corporations that sold you them? The TV?
>
> Well, if you get your values from corporations, then you like the idea of:
> - exploiting workers

all work is exploitation, period.  sometimes the worker feels they are
exploiting their employer, but usually the employer is paying as little
while ensuring the most that they can get from their employee.

> - laying off and firing workers to increase profits! yay!

isn't profit raison d'etre of capitalism?  and if so, how do religious
people justify owning businesses or owning stocks???

> - Polluting the environment.

all right wing governments, which are steeped in religious rhetoric, abhor
global warming theories and the like.

> - Hiring marketing agencies to help you sell things people don't need.

ummm... like god in a church, perhaps?  like people coming to my door
telling me i need to find jesus christ?

> - Creating drugs and products that are harmful to people without first
> testing them, because they are in such a rush to start profitting as soon
as
> possible.
> - money! money! money!
>
> I could go on. I'll save it for some other time. I've been meaning to
write
> a post on our "Choice culture". Like these people who are in their
> mid-twenties go on this "me" thing where they all "choose" another
religion,
> like buddhism, like it's a religious product - like they were choosing
fries
> or salad with their meal. Simply put, people don't "choose" which mother
> tongue they are going to have growing up. We also don't choose our parents
> or how they parent us. But according to these "choose fascists", they
think
> life is all about choices from the get-go, from the second you plop out of
> the womb. Or as if they "chose" when to be born. Not so. More on it later.
>
> Secular people don't value anything. And if they do, then it's just
> materialism and money.
>
> People shouldn't expect to get their values from corporations or the TV.
If
> the tv show "Jerry Springer" is where people look for their values, then
our
> culture is in dire straights. Or if they expect it to be sold to them in a
> product that some business is selling them, be afraid.
> And our government which has opted to seperate "church from state" is no
> where to look for values either. Canada has opted to go for the money -
> pandering and attracting foreign investment and newcomers and selling and
> whoring out it's values like a cheap $5 hooker.
> In Islam, religion *is* politics. Religion is simply ideology or ideas or
> values, or what's important to the people. In fact, judaism started out as
> laws, then morphed into "religion". Religion - law - politics - ideas -
> values - they're all the same thing. To say your going to separate "ideas"
> from politics is like saying your going to separate conjoined twins that
> share the same brain.
>
> There simply must be some direction in peoples lives - some values and
ideas
> that can be a beacon for lost souls.
>
> People claiming to be secular - people who value nothing and claim to have
> "chosen" everything that has shaped and influenced them throughout their
> lives - may as well have been brought up by a pack of wolves. That's all
> they deserve.

**sighs**

where to begin with this one....


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> "Stings" <eatspam@yohospam.cpm> wrote in message
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> > I cant believe you said that without thinking, The world is full of
> > religious killers in fact its bible history. Anyone reading the bible
> would
> > realize Able and Cane knew God personally and yet a murder was committed
> > their values direct from God one could assume.
> > Kids have values long before being introduced to religious fairy tales.
> > Human secular values are basic to all humans regardless of brand of
> religion
> > of degree of atheism. Its part of being human knowing what is hot or
cold
> > right and wrong. If you don't like they way someone is treating you
> quickly
> > realize its wrong and when someone treats you with warmth and comfort
you
> > like it and realize its good, basic no religion involved.
> > Gerry Springier is full of religious freaks as is religion with its
child
> > molesting leaders who seem not to have adopted the religious values you
> > think we all need to be good citizens.
> > They pass on the problem of molested kids are more likely to molest
others
> > later in life do drugs and prison, nice values religion gave them.
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> > "Scream Machine" <shake@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:xM_ld.224529$nl.53650@pd7tw3no...
> > > So if you're so "secular", then where did you get your values from?
> > > Corporations? TV? Jerry Springer?
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> > > Loser.
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> > > "Ghost of IT" <ghost_of_the_hangman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:b22f8b35.0411141555.32b478c7@posting.google.com...
> > >> So as not to add miles to the previous thread.....
> > >>
> > >> The problem with using the Bible as a guidebook is:
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> > >> 1) The current King James Bible is not the original bible.
> > >> 2) When the current bible was created much was lost in translation
> > >> 3) Many of the original scrolls and manuscripts have been left out.
> > >> 4) The Vatican to this day has concealed much of the source of the
> > >>    old scrolls and other writings that contradict the bible for
> > >>    obvious reasons.
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> > >> More evil is done in the name of religion in general then by any
> > >> other vehicle of human history or experience.
> > >>
> > >> Using the bible as a source of morality that supposedly preaches
> > >> humanity, when "humanism" based philosphies are condemned as
> > >> heresy or heathenism is indeed hypocracy of the highest order.
> > >> It is also endemic of delusional behavior.
> > >>
> > >> Like it or not your logic is flawed, and thus your practices
> > >> and belief's are flawed.
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