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I P Seldom wrote:

> Jonathan Ball wrote:
> 
>> I P Seldom wrote:
>>
>>> Jonathan Ball wrote:
>>>
>>>> Pit_Bull wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 19:55:23 GMT, Jonathan Ball 
>>>>> <jonball@whitehouse.not>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think you would be pleasently surprised by just how articulate and
>>>>>>> well-read "blue collar" workers can be.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Undoubtedly some small number of them are.  They're a distinct 
>>>>>> minority, as the intellectual tone of beer, pick-em-up truck and 
>>>>>> various other blue-collar-oriented advertising makes clear.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're an elitist pig. It comes through loud and clear in your posts.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not an elitist, if by that you mean one who favors some kind of 
>>>> aristocracy based on inheritance.  I do believe in a natural 
>>>> merit-based elite, though.  Cream rises.
>>>>
>>>> Intellectually, blue collar workers, on average, are skim milk.  
>>>> That's just how it is.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yep, an elitist pig to the core, and you can't even see it.
>>
>> You just don't get it.  "Elitist" isn't the
>> character-assassinating swearword you want it to be.  I
>> believe in recognition of and rewards to merit, and it
>> is clear that, because of differences in ability, there
>> will be a natural elite.  There's nothing "unfair" (a
>> meaningless word) or undemocratic about it.
>>
>>> How sad.
>>
>>
>>
>> What's sad, dumb LCD Rusty, is that you have been so thoroughly 
>> indoctrinated with a completely bogus sense of egalitarianism as a 
>> social organizing principle. Wait; "indoctrinated" is too tough a word 
>> for a prole like you; how about "brainwashed"?  You clearly suffer 
>> from a low intellect and an overpowering sense of envy
>> toward your intellectual betters.
>>
>> Call me an "elitist" if it makes you feel better, LCD
>> Rusty.  It only make me sneer at you that much more.
>>
> 
> You're the one being divisive

I thought you said I was being elitist?  Which is it? 
What does being divisive have to do with being elitist?

> and trying to cause a gap between two classes,

The gap is already there.  You are the one trying to 
play on it, illicitly.

> I'm well aware that there are people who are less able to 
> succeed, and those who are more able to succeed.

I'll bet you are, dumbo.

> Right there in your original post it shows you wish to divide people by 
> what some have and what others do not,

Nope.  The division is there already.

> and you also lumped an entire 
> class of people, blue collar workers, together by stating they are 
> "intellectually...skim milk".

Which they are, and which you haven't really disputed.

> You did say "on average" which is a good qualifier, but you still tend 
> to lump the whole group together.

You just don't like the way I see the group.  It 
doesn't mean my way of seeing it is inaccurate.

> I don't think there's anything wrong with feeling the way you do,

Yes, you do.  Your use of politically charged words 
like "divisive" shows it.

> but at least admit that you do,

I always have.  Where have you been?

> instead of saying "I don't feel that way" and 
> then "there's nothing wrong with me feeling that way."

I didn't say either of those, or anything remotely like 
them.