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On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 08:08:05 +0000 (UTC), Steen King
<steenking@worf.netins.net> wrote:

>On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:22:51 GMT, Yosemite Sam <mud@flap.net> wrote:
>>  On Fri, 7 Apr 2006 07:04:09 +0000 (UTC), Bob Dag
>> <daggy@worf.netins.net> wrote:
>> 
>> >On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 09:47:54 GMT, Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >Yiou did it the legal way, do you like other people jumping you and
>> >> >getting amnesty as a reward?
>> >> 
>> >>  	I encourage anyone who wants to come to the U.S., however,
>> >>  they should do so legally.  If they are here illegally, they risk
>> >>  being caught and paying whatever price the law allows.  And I have no
>> >>  sympathy for those who have to pay it.
>> >
>> >No hay justicia sin la compasi�n.
>> 
>>  En ingles, por favor...
>
>Ok, in English...
>
>Some illegal aliens are, in fact, very very nice people.  They could be 
>candidates for sainthood.  
> Some are scum and should be locked up in prison...preferably in 
>Mexico...even if Mexico is not their country of origin. 
>
>But, most of the illegal aliens are like you and me...basically decent 
>people, (see, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt,)...not all 
>saint...not all sinner, but basically decent, who want to put a roof over 
>their head; a bit of food on the table; they want do right by their 
>families or their future; keep the wolves from the door; and maybe carve 
>out a little breathing room for when they are old and gray that they might 
>have a little rest and reflection that life was worthwhile.
>
>It's pretty hard to do that in some parts of the world these days...harder 
>yet if all one has to trade is sweat.

Fair apparaisal.

>El Presidente, Mr. Fox, is not really eager to stem the flow of illegals 
>into the US.  Why should he?  It masks years of economic mismanagement and 
>plunder by multi-nationals and the ruling elite.  It's big business, and 
>it keeps the social order.  It curbs the burn for social reform as 
>billions of dollars pour into the Mexican economy from one of its leading 
>industries. 

Wealth is concentrated in far fewer hands in Mexico, always has been.

>On the other side of the border, the US economy and the concentration of 
>wealth has always depended on a source of cheap labor; servants, slave 
>labor; immigrant labor to build the railways; work the mines; run the 
>machinery of industry.
>
>Illegal aliens have just become another source of cheap labor for the 
>captains of industry to use and exploit; because when labor is 
>freely/fairly/and openly exchanged it gets more expensive.   
>Frequently working conditions and safety considerations need to be 
>addressed.
>
>It's "Trickle Up Economics".  The more you can devalue the work of another 
>person...the more you put in your own pocket.
>
>If you can 'automate' the process by creating the legal structures of 
>inequity it cuts down on the day-to-day maintenance.
>
>If you can mobilize peoples' fear, ignorance, bias, or ethnocentricity the 
>damn thing will nearly fly by itself is almost self perpetuating.

A cynical rant.

>...back when INS was called INS, there use to be periodic raids on chicken 
>plants, or meat plants....just when the workers were feeling their oats 
>and started wanting better pay, or working conditions...<wham> INS raid. 
>Clean house. To their shock, Management didn't know 90% of its floor crew 
>was illegal blah, blah, blah...pay the fine.  It was still cheaper than 
>making the concessions.  Then the company would hire a new crew of 
>illegal, but a bit more submissive, aliens, and we would enter another 
>'business cycle'.
>
>Those of us who are a little further up the pecking order derive short 
>term benefit from the cheap, illegal labor and the international 
>exportation of work to cheap labor pools in Malaysia,  
>India, China, and so on are going to get bitten in the butt.
>
>Decent people need to be paid a decent wage for decent work...without 
>being play against one another.

Generally true.

>As the rich get richer, and the poor are getting poorer, it will come as a 
>rude awakening when you find out what side of the line you are on...and 
>trust me, it ain't rich.

It ain't Mexico either...yet....

>Illegal is illegal.  We shouldn't have to fight Jaun Valdez for a decent 
>life just so Paris Hilton can have cheap maid service. 

Equally cynical.

Pay scales for maid service vs. medical care have to vary.