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Article #305Re: Do we need 12 million to pick lettuce?
From: Steen King
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 08:08
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 08:08
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On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:22:51 GMT, Yosemite Sam <mud@flap.net> wrote: > On Fri, 7 Apr 2006 07:04:09 +0000 (UTC), Bob Dag > <daggy@worf.netins.net> wrote: > > >On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 09:47:54 GMT, Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >Yiou did it the legal way, do you like other people jumping you and > >> >getting amnesty as a reward? > >> > >> I encourage anyone who wants to come to the U.S., however, > >> they should do so legally. If they are here illegally, they risk > >> being caught and paying whatever price the law allows. And I have no > >> sympathy for those who have to pay it. > > > >No hay justicia sin la compasi�n. > > En ingles, por favor... Ok, in English... Some illegal aliens are, in fact, very very nice people. They could be candidates for sainthood. Some are scum and should be locked up in prison...preferably in Mexico...even if Mexico is not their country of origin. But, most of the illegal aliens are like you and me...basically decent people, (see, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt,)...not all saint...not all sinner, but basically decent, who want to put a roof over their head; a bit of food on the table; they want do right by their families or their future; keep the wolves from the door; and maybe carve out a little breathing room for when they are old and gray that they might have a little rest and reflection that life was worthwhile. It's pretty hard to do that in some parts of the world these days...harder yet if all one has to trade is sweat. El Presidente, Mr. Fox, is not really eager to stem the flow of illegals into the US. Why should he? It masks years of economic mismanagement and plunder by multi-nationals and the ruling elite. It's big business, and it keeps the social order. It curbs the burn for social reform as billions of dollars pour into the Mexican economy from one of its leading industries. On the other side of the border, the US economy and the concentration of wealth has always depended on a source of cheap labor; servants, slave labor; immigrant labor to build the railways; work the mines; run the machinery of industry. Illegal aliens have just become another source of cheap labor for the captains of industry to use and exploit; because when labor is freely/fairly/and openly exchanged it gets more expensive. Frequently working conditions and safety considerations need to be addressed. It's "Trickle Up Economics". The more you can devalue the work of another person...the more you put in your own pocket. If you can 'automate' the process by creating the legal structures of inequity it cuts down on the day-to-day maintenance. If you can mobilize peoples' fear, ignorance, bias, or ethnocentricity the damn thing will nearly fly by itself is almost self perpetuating. ...back when INS was called INS, there use to be periodic raids on chicken plants, or meat plants....just when the workers were feeling their oats and started wanting better pay, or working conditions...<wham> INS raid. Clean house. To their shock, Management didn't know 90% of its floor crew was illegal blah, blah, blah...pay the fine. It was still cheaper than making the concessions. Then the company would hire a new crew of illegal, but a bit more submissive, aliens, and we would enter another 'business cycle'. Those of us who are a little further up the pecking order derive short term benefit from the cheap, illegal labor and the international exportation of work to cheap labor pools in Malaysia, India, China, and so on are going to get bitten in the butt. Decent people need to be paid a decent wage for decent work...without being play against one another. As the rich get richer, and the poor are getting poorer, it will come as a rude awakening when you find out what side of the line you are on...and trust me, it ain't rich. Illegal is illegal. We shouldn't have to fight Jaun Valdez for a decent life just so Paris Hilton can have cheap maid service. -- I am Epoxy Man
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