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On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 14:33:03 GMT, Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 02:52:17 GMT, Yosemite Sam <mud@flap.net> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 02:10:21 GMT, Kent Wills <compuelf@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 16:31:35 GMT, Yosemite Sam <mud@flap.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 06:08:00 GMT, "Bill" <xxx@yy.zz> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Yosemite Sam" <mud@flap.net> wrote in message 
>>>>>news:cm6932prq0hjepkeu6s99cp2qbcb2imp1g@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 02:52:34 GMT, "Bill" <xxx@yy.zz> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>He was the original post Sam was responding to:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So the presumed solution to the problem is to make them legal. Then all 
>>>>>>>would
>>>>>>>be OK? That's a good point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wotta marroon!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, the answerisn't to make them ALL legal!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Sam's complaint was that people illegally here were making money.
>>>>
>>>>And sending it back to Mexico - billions of $$ a year!
>>>
>>>	As the law permits them to do.
>>
>>While they roost here ILLEGALLY!!!!!!!!!
>
>	Yes.  Currently there is no law regulating what they do with
>the money they earn, so long as it is earned legally

Huh?

"Earned legally"???

CLUEBAT!

http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/AidAbetUnlawfulSec8USC1324.html

Federal Immigration and Nationality Act
Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)

"Any person who . . . encourages or induces an alien to . . . reside .
. . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . .
residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided
. . . for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . .
fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both."

Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality
Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):

A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or
local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:

    * assists an alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the
U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting,
sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or

    * encourages that alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or
her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer
in any way, or

    * knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.

Penalties upon conviction include criminal fines, imprisonment, and
forfeiture of vehicles and real property used to commit the crime.
Anyone employing or contracting with an illegal alien without
verifying his or her work authorization status is guilty of a
misdemeanor. Aliens and employers violating immigration laws are
subject to arrest, detention, and seizure of their vehicles or
property. In addition, individuals or entities who engage in
racketeering enterprises that commit (or conspire to commit)
immigration-related felonies are subject to private civil suits for
treble damages and injunctive relief.

Recruitment and Employment of Illegal Aliens

It is unlawful to hire an alien, to recruit an alien, or to refer an
alien for a fee, knowing the alien is unauthorized to work in the
United States. It is equally unlawful to continue to employ an alien
knowing that the alien is unauthorized to work. Employers may give
preference in recruitment and hiring to a U.S. citizen over an alien
with work authorization only where the U.S. citizen is equally or
better qualified. It is unlawful to hire an individual for employment
in the United States without complying with employment eligibility
verification requirements. Requirements include examination of
identity documents and completion of Form I-9 for every employee
hired. Employers must retain all I-9s, and, with three days' advance
notice, the forms must be made available for inspection. Employment
includes any service or labor performed for any type of remuneration
within the United States, with the exception of sporadic domestic
service by an individual in a private home. Day laborers or other
casual workers engaged in any compensated activity (with the above
exception) are employees for purposes of immigration law. An employer
includes an agent or anyone acting directly or indirectly in the
interest of the employer. For purposes of verfication of authorization
to work, employer also means an independent contractor, or a
contractor other than the person using the alien labor. The use of
temporary or short-term contracts cannot be used to circumvent the
employment authorization verification requirements. If employment is
to be for less than the usual three days allowed for completing the
I-9 Form requirement, the form must be completed immediately at the
time of hire.

An employer has constructive knowledge that an employee is an illegal
unauthorized worker if a reasonable person would infer it from the
facts. Constructive knowledge constituting a violation of federal law
has been found where (1) the I-9 employment eligibility form has not
been properly completed, including supporting documentation, (2) the
employer has learned from other individuals, media reports, or any
source of information available to the employer that the alien is
unauthorized to work, or (3) the employer acts with reckless disregard
for the legal consequences of permitting a third party to provide or
introduce an illegal alien into the employer's work force. Knowledge
cannot be inferred solely on the basis of an individual's accent or
foreign appearance.

Actual specific knowledge is not required. For example, a newspaper
article stating that ballrooms depend on an illegal alien work force
of dance hostesses was held by the courts to be a reasonable ground
for suspicion that unlawful conduct had occurred.

IT IS ILLEGAL FOR NONPROFIT OR RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS to knowingly
assist an employer to violate employment sanctions, REGARDLESS OF
CLAIMS THAT THEIR CONVICTIONS REQUIRE THEM TO ASSIST ALIENS. Harboring
or aiding illegal aliens is not protected by the First Amendment. It
is a felony to establish a commercial enterprise for the purpose of
evading any provision of federal immigration law. Violators may be
fined or imprisoned for up to five years.

Encouraging and Harboring Illegal Aliens

It is a violation of law for any person to conceal, harbor, or shield
from detection in any place, including any building or means of
transportation, any alien who is in the United States in violation of
law. HARBORING MEANS ANY CONDUCT THAT TENDS TO SUBSTANTIALLY
FACILITATE AN ALIEN TO REMAIN IN THE U.S. ILLEGALLY. The sheltering
need not be clandestine, and harboring covers aliens arrested
outdoors, as well as in a building. This provision includes harboring
an alien who entered the U.S. legally but has since lost his legal
status.

An employer can be convicted of the felony of harboring illegal aliens
who are his employees if he takes actions in reckless disregard of
their illegal status, such as ordering them to obtain false documents,
altering records, obstructing INS inspections, or taking other actions
that facilitate the alien's illegal employment. Any person who within
any 12-month period hires ten or more individuals with actual
knowledge that they are illegal aliens or unauthorized workers is
guilty of felony harboring. It is also a felony to encourage or induce
an alien to come to or reside in the U.S. knowing or recklessly
disregarding the fact that the alien's entry or residence is in
violation of the law. This crime applies to any person, rather than
just employers of illegal aliens. Courts have ruled that "encouraging"
includes counseling illegal aliens to continue working in the U.S. or
assisting them to complete applications with false statements or
obvious errors. The fact that the alien is a refugee fleeing
persecution is not a defense to this felony, since U.S. law and the UN
Protocol on Refugees both require that a refugee must report to
immigration authorities without delay upon entry to the U.S.

The penalty for felony harboring is a fine and imprisonment for up to
five years. The penalty for felony alien smuggling is a fine and up to
ten years' imprisonment. Where the crime causes serious bodily injury
or places the life of any person in jeopardy, the penalty is a fine
and up to twenty years' imprisonment. If the criminal smuggling or
harboring results in the death of any person, the penalty can include
life imprisonment. Convictions for aiding, abetting, or conspiracy to
commit alien smuggling or harboring, carry the same penalties. Courts
can impose consecutive prison sentences for each alien smuggled or
harbored. A court may order a convicted smuggler to pay restitution if
the alien smuggled qualifies as a victim under the Victim and Witness
Protection Act. Conspiracy to commit crimes of sheltering, harboring,
or employing illegal aliens is a separate federal offense punishable
by a fine of up to $10,000 or five years' imprisonment.

Enforcement

A person or entity having knowledge of a violation or potential
violation of employer sanctions provisions may submit a signed written
complaint to the INS office with jurisdiction over the business or
residence of the potential violator, whether an employer, employee, or
agent. The complaint must include the names and addresses of both the
complainant and the violator, and detailed factual allegations,
including date, time, and place of the potential violation, and the
specific conduct alleged to be a violation of employer sanctions. By
regulation, the INS will only investigate third-party complaints that
have a reasonable probability of validity. Designated INS officers and
employees, and all other officers whose duty it is to enforce criminal
laws, may make an arrest for violation of smuggling or harboring
illegal aliens.

State and local law enforcement officials have the general power to
investigate and arrest violators of federal immigration statutes
without prior INS knowledge or approval, as long as they are
authorized to do so by state law. There is no extant federal
limitation on this authority. The 1996 immigration control legislation
passed by Congress was intended to encourage states and local agencies
to participate in the process of enforcing federal immigration laws.
Immigration officers and local law enforcement officers may detain an
individual for a brief warrantless interrogation where circumstances
create a reasonable suspicion that the individual is illegally present
in the U.S. Specific facts constituting a reasonable suspicion include
evasive, nervous, or erratic behavior; dress or speech indicating
foreign citizenship; and presence in an area known to contain a
concentration of illegal aliens. Hispanic appearance alone is not
sufficient. Immigration officers and police must have a valid warrant
or valid employer's consent to enter workplaces or residences. Any
vehicle used to transport or harbor illegal aliens, or used as a
substantial part of an activity that encourages illegal aliens to come
to or reside in the U.S. may be seized by an immigration officer and
is subject to forfeiture. The forfeiture power covers any conveyances
used within the U.S.

>>
>>Got it yet ASSHOLE???
>
>	We all know what kind of a person you are.  We accept it.  
>
>>
>>THEY'RE CRIMINALS SENDING LOOT HOME!!!!!!!
>>
>
>	As is permitted under current law.  Deal with it.

A total LIE!

http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/AidAbetUnlawfulSec8USC1324.html

RICO -- Citizen Recourse

Private persons and entities may initiate civil suits to obtain
injunctions and treble damages against enterprises that conspire to or
actually violate federal alien smuggling, harboring, or document fraud
statutes, under the Racketeer-Influenced and Corrupt Organizations
(RICO). The pattern of racketeering activity is defined as commission
of two or more of the listed crimes. A RICO enterprise can be any
individual legal entity, or a group of individuals who are not a legal
entity but are associated in fact, AND CAN INCLUDE NONPROFIT
ASSOCIATIONS.

Tax Crimes

Employers who aid or abet the preparation of false tax returns by
failing to pay income or Social Security taxes for illegal alien
employees, or who knowingly make payments using false names or Social
Security numbers, are subject to IRS criminal and civil sanctions.
U.S. nationals who have suffered intentional discrimination because of
citizenship or national origin by an employer with more than three
employees may file a complaint within 180 days of the discriminatory
act with the Special Counsel for Immigration-Related Unfair Employment
Practices, U.S. Department of Justice. In additon to the federal
statutes summarized, state laws and local ordinances controlling fair
labor practices, workers compensation, zoning, safe housing and rental
property, nuisance, licensing, street vending, and solicitations by
contractors may also apply to activities that involve illegal aliens.
>
>>
>>
>>>>> If one makes 
>>>>>them legal then Sam's complaint would be resolved. True or not true. Or not 
>>>>>understandable by Sam?
>>>>
>>>>If one discerns whether they want to learn our history, english, and
>>>>BE LEGAL the rest can be given guest visas and their cash siphonage
>>>>strictly controled.
>>>
>>>	How do you propose to control what they do with their money?
>>>If what they are doing is legal, there's no reason to control it.
>>
>>If they are here ILLEGALLY we BOOT THEIR ASSES until they chose to act
>>in a legal manner!!
>
>	Agreed.  That's not a point of contention.
>	What we are discussing at this point is what they do with the
>money they legally earn.  

The do NOT "legally" earn it you fucking LIAR!

http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/AidAbetUnlawfulSec8USC1324.html

Federal Immigration and Nationality Act
Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)

"Any person who . . . encourages or induces an alien to . . . reside .
. . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . .
residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided
. . . for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . .
fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both."

Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality
Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):

A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or
local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:

    * assists an alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the
U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting,
sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or

    * encourages that alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or
her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer
in any way, or

    * knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.

Penalties upon conviction include criminal fines, imprisonment, and
forfeiture of vehicles and real property used to commit the crime.
Anyone employing or contracting with an illegal alien without
verifying his or her work authorization status is guilty of a
misdemeanor. Aliens and employers violating immigration laws are
subject to arrest, detention, and seizure of their vehicles or
property. In addition, individuals or entities who engage in
racketeering enterprises that commit (or conspire to commit)
immigration-related felonies are subject to private civil suits for
treble damages and injunctive relief.

>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>>> The answer is to find out which ones want to be and which prefer guest
>>>>>> status only.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Want to be what?
>>>>
>>>>CITZENS!
>>>>
>>>>>> And then SEAL THE DAMNED BORDER!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Does Sam have any sort of clue about how do that. Can Sam dazzle us with his 
>>>>>brilliance and explain how to do that short of killing people.
>>>>
>>>>http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050523-122644-7478r.htm
>>>>
>>>>The deployment of 36,000 National Guard troops or state militia on the
>>>>U.S.-Mexico border would stop the illegal flow of foreigners into
>>>>America, says a congressional report that credits the Minuteman
>>>>Project with proving that additional manpower could "dramatically
>>>>reduce if not virtually eliminate" illegal immigration.
>>>>    The 33-page report, written by investigators for the Congressional
>>>>Immigration Reform Caucus, said the Minutemen � who shut down a
>>>>23-mile stretch of the Arizona border last month � served as a model
>>>>for a government effort to reclaim the southern border of the United
>>>>States.
>>>>
>>>>>>> But Sam never answered anything about China. $200 Billion yearly trade
>>>>>>>deficit with China. Walmart etc. is the major contributer to this by buying
>>>>>>>cheap goods from China, selling them here to willing Americans, and sending
>>>>>>>the money back to China.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What a classic and total NON SEQUITUR!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I understand that Sam is complaining that Billions are going from the US to 
>>>>>Mexico but is ignoring
>>>>
>>>>NON SEQUITUR!
>>>>
>>>>Wanna rip China - use another thread you asshole.
>>>
>>>	Sam's losing 
>>
>>No asswipe, you and your scumsucking lefty shadow can't stay on topic
>>because you KNOW you're endorsing ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION!
>
>	We can add,

You can't tell the truth - period.