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"Just Cocky" <just@cocky.com> wrote in message 
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> On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:11:57 -0700, "James Arveson"
> <jamesarveson@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>"Just Cocky" <just@cocky.com> wrote in message
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>>> On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 23:50:11 -0700, "James Arveson"
>>> <jamesarveson@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"Just Cocky" <just@cocky.com> wrote in message
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>>>>> On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 17:34:05 -0700, "James Arveson"
>>>>> <jamesarveson@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>Over 50K people got a green card last year through legal methods. The
>>>>>>prime
>>>>>>requirement was that they had a job open to them that could not be
>>>>>>filled
>>>>>>by
>>>>>>a citizen. That is a particularly difficult requirement if you want a
>>>>>>job
>>>>>>as, say, a carpenter or a meat packer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, that's what I've been saying the whole time, that it's very
>>>>> difficult for these people to legally immigrate to the US.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>And for good reason, as pointed out in the section you snipped.
>>>>
>>>>The prime requirement was that they had a job open to them that could 
>>>>not
>>>>be
>>>>filled by a citizen.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't find this particular requirements particular helpful to
>>> America.
>>
>>I do.
>>
>
> Well, I don't find value in protecting people from competition. It's
> anti-capitalist.
>
>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>The only way an illegal can get one of those jobs is to undercut the 
>>>>wages
>>>>of a US citizen who would take the same job, but at the going wage.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I value competition. I think it's a good thing.
>>
>>I doubt that you would value it if it were your wages that were at risk. 
>>Are
>>you a carpenter, a cook, a hotel maid, a meat packer? I thought not.
>>
>
> My position has always been that only losers hate competition.

"Winners" usually take that position. Losers usually think otherwise. Labor 
unions, for example, were formed to provide a means for losers to 
consolidate their power to protect their interests. I see the anti-illegal 
immigration movement as an extension of the labor movement. I know many 
union members who see it in the same way, even if their leadership or the 
politicians that pretend to represent their interests see it otherwise.

James