🚀 go-pugleaf

Personally I believe it is better to have a good base understanding of the
underlying code.  Therefore my vote would be for little to no VCE to start.
Otherwise you wont have what you need to think your way out of a program
(code) jam.  However their is something to be said for learning the VCE.
Case in point Scott - my recent lack of "tear-off properties" knowledge.

Dave C.

Scott Stanchfield wrote:

> I'm on the fence on this one...
>
> I'll be experimenting with teaching intro Java using VAJ sometime soon.
> My thoughts on it are basically:
>
> 1) VAJ helps put off the "where do I put the files" issue until export
>    (Where I'll explain all the compiling outside VAJ issues)
>
> 2) IMHO, Issues such as layout design and _use_ of components/beans are
> far more important than actually typing
>
>      Button b = new Button("Ok");
>      Panel p = new Panel(new FlowLayout());
>      p.add(b);
>
>    I'd go over the code so people would know what to look for, but
> wouldn't make them type it in exercises
>
> 3) I wouldn't be using connections in the VCE, just the layout
> design/bean customization
>    (I'd demo the advanced features, but I'd want them to write
> connection code)
>
> If somone can use the code gens to get a good head start on the language
> concepts, that's a major benefit to teaching the language. There's a lot
> to be said for "getting a program working"
>
> I still need to think ont a bit more, but I'm really leaning this way...
>
> --
> -- Scott
>
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> Johan Compagner <joco@wxs.nl> wrote in message
> news:7lfkm4$osa$2@news.software.ibm.com...
> > > That is where learning Java will come into play.  The
> > > VCE automates alot of the really tedious parts of creating GUI's,
> but
> > > you still need to know alot about Java to use it effectively.
> >
> > That's why you mustn't use a IDE for learning a language
> > You can use VAJ as a texteditor but don't use the VCE for learning
> > java.
> >
> > greetings
> > Johan compagner
> >
> >
> >