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Re: iStar memo: don't tell customers list of banned newsgroups

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From: Peter Dougherty
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 00:00
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mackbig@inforamp.net (Andrew Mackie) toned in the RTC and said :

>satchell@accutek.com (Stephen Satchell) wrote:
>>I dunno how it works in Canada, but in the United States a judge (and a
>>jury, for that matter) will accept a good-faith act in an attempt to abide
>>by the law in a very positive light.  So by showing that they tried to
>>obey the law by getting rid of those newsgroups that on their face contain
>>illegal content, they can ride through any complaint without the water
>>ever getting above the legal Plimsoll line.
>A drug dealer stops selling heroin and crack, but still sells weed and
>hash.  The courts would definitely commend them for trying to be more
>legal.  Almost legal does not cut it.  Ban everything or nothing.

I really wish they'd have stood up to whomever and told them to stuff
their opinions in a crevice they would like to see banned. Even if it
did get to court, they'd have the very strong argument of "common
carrier" to test (and tested it must be). Besides, find a binary file
in any controversial newsgroup; print it out to show to a judge/jury;
it's gobblydygook - a binary mishmash. The binary file data sitting
upon any ISPs servers must be specificly acted upon before it becomes
an obscene photograph or illegally copied software. Otherwise it's
just random letters and numbers. 

>Andrew Mackie,
>mackbig@inforamp.net (not for long)
>going to Interlog. Thank you Istar, for destroying
>the best ISP in Toronto.(service,shell,censorship)Inforamp since'94.

Don't go off to Interlog so fast; check out Internet Canada. They
offer everything Interlog does (including shell and free web page),
without the busy busy busy busy signals, dropped lines and
ring-throughs. AND you get unlimited connect time for $30/month. I
just signed up over the weekend, and I'm already extatic with their
service - especially the 24-hour tech support line!


Cheers,
PJ Dougherty

If you value freedom of speech, thought and expression, please boycott 
iStar Internet Service providers (iStar, nstn, inforamp, et al). 
***My Usenet includes ALL newsgroups!***
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From: pjd@ican.net (Peter Dougherty)
Subject: Re: iStar memo:  don't tell customers list of banned newsgroups
Date: 1996/08/12
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