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Article #31Re: iStar memo: don't tell customers list of banned newsgroups
From: Scott Barker
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 00:00
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 00:00
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On Sat, 20 Jul 1996 01:37:26 GMT, Jim Manson (jmanso19@skypoint.com) wrote: > You have already admitted that removing newsgroups in some cases > is a valid defense to the problem. Actually, I didn't "admit" any such thing. All I admitted was that it's iSTAR's right to do what they please with their servers. > Therefore iStar does a risk analysis of the law, their newsgroups, > and current political climates. They decide to remove some newsgroups. Exactly, couldn't have put it better. It was a politically motivated move. > It would seem that their restraint is in your favor since you oppose > the removal in the first place. Actually, I oppose two things: 1) censorship of any kind 2) iSTAR's feeble attempt to justifiy a political move behind "legal" motivations. > You have now decided that they should have removed more newsgroups > if they were being sincere, not having any access to the facts or > opinions that iStar had. You have been claiming all along that > removing the newsgroups is not a defense. It has been shown that it > is. Your current argument is that they didn't go far enough. That is a > new issue. Uh, I haven't been claiming anything all along. I just stepped into this thread... > Lowering their risk is a matter of removing the high risk groups, > it doesn't necessarily mean to remove ALL risk. Without access > to their files and attorneys you can only speculate about their > motives and with no way to determine how accurate those > speculations are they will remain speculations. Actually, the only thing I speculated on was that iSTAR isn't going to be a leader in any anti-censorship movements. I think that speculation is probably about as close to fact as one can get, given their actions. -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant scott@galileo.cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 3 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail. ] [ Unsolicited commercial and junk e-mail will be proof-read for US$100 ] "The danger from computers is not that they will eventually get as smart as men, but that we will meanwhile agree to meet them halfway." - Bernard Avishai
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 11544f,c936b9b6252ee44d X-Google-Attributes: gid11544f,public X-Google-Thread: 1046d5,c936b9b6252ee44d X-Google-Attributes: gid1046d5,public X-Google-Thread: 10aaae,c936b9b6252ee44d X-Google-Attributes: gid10aaae,public X-Google-Thread: 12c2cc,c936b9b6252ee44d X-Google-Attributes: gid12c2cc,public X-Google-Thread: 115882,c936b9b6252ee44d X-Google-Attributes: gid115882,public X-Google-Thread: 10643c,c936b9b6252ee44d X-Google-Attributes: gid10643c,public X-Google-Thread: fb1ea,c936b9b6252ee44d X-Google-Attributes: gidfb1ea,public X-Google-Thread: 13d6bc,c936b9b6252ee44d X-Google-Attributes: gid13d6bc,public From: scott@galileo.cuug.ab.ca (Scott Barker) Subject: Re: iStar memo: don't tell customers list of banned newsgroups Date: 1996/07/20 Message-ID: <4ss9k9$4o9@galileo.cuug.ab.ca> X-Deja-AN: 169256167 distribution: inet references: <4rmsbp$5ur@insight.dcss.mcmaster.ca> <4sf5ia$428@news.inforamp.net> <radfordr-1607962133300001@ts33-13.tor.istar.ca> <4shftu$jpr@news.inforamp.net> <DuoAwo.CrB@ferret.ocunix.on.ca> <4siuqa$qa@news.inforamp.net> <31ed8a32.1048590@news.skypoint.com> <4slqbb$7bj@galileo.cuug.ab.ca> <31ef0013.4611667@news.skypoint.com> <4sp5dk$mia@galileo.cuug.ab.ca> <31f03631.8524472@news.skypoint.com> followup-to: inforamp.general,inforamp.support,alt.censorship,comp.org.eff.talk,can.legal,can.infohighway,tor.general,alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,alt.society.civil-liberty,ont.general organization: Die-Hard DOS Haters newsgroups: inforamp.general,inforamp.support,alt.censorship,comp.org.eff.talk,can.legal,can.infohighway,tor.general,alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,alt.society.civil-liberty,ont.general