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Re: iStar memo: don't tell customers list of banned newsgroups

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From: C. Peter Constantinidis
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 00:00
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Putting aside for the moment the "save the children" crap which has
been rationalized at one time or another by everyone including the
Nazis.

There is a way to try to change the laws or make them clearer without
first getting charged.  All citizens as far as I know, have the
ability to fund a consitutional/legal challenge against a specific law
without being charged for it beforehand.  This approach of 'seizing
the bull by the horns' has a huge advantage in that the Crown cannot
'drop' the charges after you're almost bankrupt and on the verge of
winning.
This has been consistently the case with section 462.2 (related to so
called 'drug paraphenalia' which at one point was broad enough to have
a picture of a marijuana plant in the encyclopaedia illegal).  Anyways
literature is now legal again, but 'paraphenlia' is not, except there
is no definition of what paraphenalia really is.  So the method used
by the Crown and police to harass people with it, is to charge someone
with it's vague definition, seize stock (esp. if it's a store), let it
run on for a long time in court, and THEN drop the charges.
So now there are some (at least 2) constitutional challenges in
progress by pro-hemp people. I can't remember if both resulted from
being charged though.

However my point is, wouldn't it be nice if a coalition of ISPs pooled
together and funded their own legal fight to 'clarify' the situation
once and for all? Having a definitive definition would let them rest
easier at night, and customers everywhere would be happy because then
most systems would be more or less the same in terms of 'enforcement'
of what people see to protect their puny minds of course. Snort.
Grabbing the bull by the horns puts the fascists on the defensive..

P.

C. Peter C. (yu156589@yorku.ca) Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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From: yu156589@yorku.ca (C. Peter Constantinidis)
Subject: Re: iStar memo:  don't tell customers list of banned newsgroups
Date: 1996/07/18
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