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Article #56Re: iStar memo: don't tell customers list of banned newsgroups
From: Morton Goldmacher
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 00:00
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 00:00
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horton@icons.net (John R. Shaw) wrote: >On Wed, 17 Jul 1996 15:55:30 GMT, alchemy@interlog.com (Morton >Goldmacher) wrote: >>There is certainly political and public relations points to be gained, >>but unless we are told by iSTAR's managers why they deleted the groups >>we can only speculate on their motives. >Is not silence often the refuge of scoundrels and liars, so why >should silence not allow us to asusme the worst ? You may assume whatever you wish to. But you are still in the realm of speculation. I admit that I can't really tell what iSTAR's motives were. To me their motives matter less than the legal consequences of their actions. >I have a question that maybe a lawyer could answer. It seems to me >that many newsgroups carry messages that are libelous, and fraudulent, >and perhaps there is no group that has not been spammed with illegal >scam adverts. >If the basis is only to stop groups with illegal material then why are >these groups not also banned if 'illegality' is the only criteria ? I think a good case could be made for charging a isp with willfully promoting hatred where they carry a newsgroup called "niggers.jews.kill.them.all" if the group carried offensive postings. >While this is only speculation it would seem that the intent must run >deeper than simply law enforcement, perhaps they want a legal >precedent, for when they extend their control further ? >*********************************************************** There are no legal limits on their control right now. They can decide to discontinue whatever services they feel like discontinuing. Morton M. Goldmacher Barrister and Solicitor
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 11544f,c936b9b6252ee44d X-Google-Attributes: gid11544f,public X-Google-Thread: 12c2cc,c936b9b6252ee44d X-Google-Attributes: gid12c2cc,public X-Google-Thread: fb1ea,c936b9b6252ee44d X-Google-Attributes: gidfb1ea,public X-Google-Thread: 10aaae,c936b9b6252ee44d X-Google-Attributes: gid10aaae,public X-Google-Thread: 1046d5,c936b9b6252ee44d X-Google-Attributes: gid1046d5,public X-Google-Thread: 115882,c936b9b6252ee44d X-Google-Attributes: gid115882,public X-Google-Thread: 10643c,c936b9b6252ee44d X-Google-Attributes: gid10643c,public X-Google-Thread: 13d6bc,c936b9b6252ee44d X-Google-Attributes: gid13d6bc,public From: alchemy@interlog.com (Morton Goldmacher) Subject: Re: iStar memo: don't tell customers list of banned newsgroups Date: 1996/07/18 Message-ID: <4smb3c$488@news.interlog.com> X-Deja-AN: 169532941 distribution: inet references: <4rmsbp$5ur@insight.dcss.mcmaster.ca> <jbtoacf.-0707960850350001@ip93-106.tor.interlog.com> <4rpjjn$pbr@news1.io.org> <4rsidl$ufa@news3.realtime.net> <4rtnus$lb4@presence.lglobal.com> <4ru2st$r9o@news.interlog.com> <31e2af17.73369975@news.interlog.com> <4s67fc$hco@news.interlog.com> <rgd-1207961636160001@ts26-12.tor.istar.ca> <4s6h4j$lt3@news.interlog.com> <4sgddb$ifi@news.interlog.com> <4shep8$jpr@news.inforamp.net> <4sirtf$ove@news.interlog.com> <31ee384d.89865568@news.icons.net> organization: Barrister and Solicitor reply-to: alchemy@interlog.com newsgroups: inforamp.general,inforamp.support,alt.censorship,comp.org.eff.talk,can.legal,can.infohighway,tor.general,alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,alt.society.civil-liberty,ont.general